14:43:51 next slide. 14:43:55 » Vera: We're recording. 14:43:59 » Gloria: Just wanted to be clear that for the use, this video 14:44:04 will be recorded, but for the use for the deep organizing 14:44:09 committee. Let them though if anybody is not okay with the session being recorded. Now is a good 14:44:15 time. 14:44:22 So Justin, if you could please start recording. 14:44:33 So thank you, everyone, for joining us today. For those of 14:44:37 you that are in Canada, I hope you had a nice long weekend. I know I 14:44:42 sure did take some time to rest. I hope you're all 14:44:46 doing well. Today we're going to be meeting 14:44:50 for the vision for D DEEP2020. What would you like DE 14:44:54 EP to be. We are part of the inclusive design research center 14:44:59 at OCAD University, and I know upon registration 14:45:05 we had some participants that indicated that they have never attended a D 14:45:09 EEP before, so I want to welcome you as well especially. We hope 14:45:14 that today's session will be productive and collaborative 14:45:18 . I want to introduce myself briefly. My name is Gloria Bernal and I'm 14:45:21 the Assistant at the inclusive design research 14:45:25 center. I also joined the DEEP team 14:45:29 last year to assist with the logistics, and we also have 14:45:33 members of the committee here, so again, Vera Roberts 14:45:38 and David Pe deda, and the director 14:45:43 , Trevor Hannon. And we are going to start. I will move on to the agenda 14:45:47 , but first of all, I just want to let 14:45:51 you know this meeting is with the expectation that D DEEP2020 is going to be 14:45:56 an online he spent this year. So to deep in that in mind for the rest of the 14:45:59 meeting. Thank yo you. Okay. 14:46:04 So the agenda. 14:46:08 We have the first part, which we'll cover some meeting guidelines 14:46:13 for participation, and as we have been sharing the links, if anybody needs these links again, we'll just 14:46:17 share them on the chat. Then we'll move on to the second part, which is the 14:46:21 overview of DEEP. The third will be the DEEP 14:46:26 format: Thoughts and questions. Now, I've assigned some time for each of 14:46:30 these category in order to just stay on track, but of course this is flexible 14:46:35 . And then we'll be moving on from DEEP format to DEEP 14:46:40 theme and topics. And then at the last part of this agenda, we'll be 14:46:44 doing wrap-up and next steps. Okay? 14:46:49 Now moving on to the guidelines. Just to give you a brief idea. So 14:46:53 this presentation is really just -- these slides will just be a way 14:46:59 to guide us through all the questions that you have and points that we'd like to make 14:47:03 . Besides those slides, we have a participation link, so we have our 14:47:07 live Google document that is also available in the chat for accessing the link if 14:47:12 you're not already there. And then we also have 14:47:16 the trace online hand raising utility. So TOHRU. For those of you who are wondering why 14:47:20 we're using this, as I've mentioned earlier, it's really to make 14:47:25 sure that because we have a large group meeting today, we want to make 14:47:30 sure we have a queue in place, and this will allow Vera and David, 14:47:34 who are helping me monitor, open up the floor to 14:47:38 participants to have their say. We also have the Zoom chat and the hand raising function 14:47:41 if you prefer to use those. 14:47:45 So for the hand raising utility, 14:47:51 we have -- so where it asks for the meeting ID to be put in. It's 14:47:55 DE EP2020, and then 14:48:00 you'll be prompted to put in your name. So please type in your name as 14:48:04 you wish for it to appear, and 14:48:08 then select enter as participant. 14:48:12 So once you are in hand raising utility and you've logged in, I'm just going to read what's 14:48:17 on the slide. The TOHRU tool will allow you 14:48:22 to raise and lower our hand or indicate if you would like to comment on a current topic 14:48:26 or start a new one. We'll be using this to manage 14:48:30 the discussion, and I just want to point out once you're here and if you're using 14:48:35 TOHRU, there's a little option at the bottom of your selection that says optional reminder 14:48:40 or hin hint, so we don't know how many people are 14:48:44 going to be queuing up, but I find this a very helpful tool if you would like to put in a 14:48:50 little comment for yourself in case you're waiting for your turn. It's just a nice little option 14:48:52 to have. 14:48:56 » Vera: Tina, did you have a question or were you testing the 14:48:57 hand raise? 14:48:59 » Gloria: You're on mute. Sorry, Tina. 14:49:03 » Tina: I have a question. So I was 14:49:08 just testing how this was working, trying to follow 14:49:13 what you were saying, so I'm good. 14:49:17 » Vera: Pina, you were using the hand raising tool in Zoom, which 14:49:21 works fine. Alternatively, you can open up the TOHR 14:49:26 U hand rising tool in the separate window and use it as well. Someone else had a 14:49:28 question I heard. 14:49:31 » Cheryl. 14:49:35 » Hi, Cheryl. I didn't get the UR 14:49:39 L for the TOHRU. If there's some way to get that 14:49:40 again. 14:49:44 » Gloria: Yeah. We can just share it again onto 14:49:49 the chat. 14:50:00 It's there, hand raising utility 14:50:02 . 14:50:06 » Cheryl: I'm going to take a screen shot. Hold on. There. Okay. Thanks. Thank you 14:50:09 very much. » Vera: No problem. 14:50:13 » Gloria: Okay. So we are now going to be moving on to our next 14:50:18 slide. This is to recover just the deep conference overview before 14:50:22 we dive into 2019 and 2020. I just wanted 14:50:27 to mention DEEP began in 2012 and we are now moving into the preparations for our 14:50:32 ninth annual event. DEEP does welcome the insights 14:50:36 of participants who may be left out, but profoundly affected by decision 14:50:41 . So it is collaboration that take place at 14:50:46 cross-section terms. For example, technology, education, government, science, and research, to name 14:50:50 a few, and now I'm just going to go over with what's on our slide 14:50:50 . 14:50:54 So goals and objectives for today are to engaging in meaningful 14:50:56 -- not just for today. 14:50:58 » Vera: Today is well perhaps. 14:51:02 » Gloria: But this is for DEEP. If you. So it will be to engage in a meaning 14:51:06 ful debate to access multiple perspectives, to be collaborative 14:51:11 and interactive, to promote the goal of 14:51:15 inclusive participation, to have a diverse audience 14:51:20 and panel, to address challenges and share information 14:51:24 and innovative strategies. 14:51:28 Moving on to DEEP 14:51:33 2020 vision meeting. So now that you have an idea of what DEEP stands for and what our goals are, 14:51:37 I also want to ensure we keep our meeting focused as we are 14:51:41 limited with time. So our goals for this meeting really are 14:51:48 to be able to identify a theme, to learn topics that are of interest to you 14:51:52 , to anticipate and plan for challenges, and 14:51:57 to discover opportunities. And at this point, I want to remind everybody that you are going to have access or 14:52:01 that you've been given access to a Google document that's live right 14:52:05 now. The shorthand url is there on the slide, but 14:52:10 if you haven't already logged into that, and then once again 14:52:15 , just to keep in mind that we are 14:52:20 going to be having to meet on an online format, 14:52:24 so your contributions today will help us plan what DNA would look like, what it would be like, and hopefully 14:52:27 , yeah, we'll move on. 14:52:31 So for DNA 2019 format, 14:52:35 I wanted to provide a general overview. I know some of you were in attendance 14:52:39 . Others were in attendance in previous years, but 2019 was slightly different 14:52:44 , because we were in a new venue, which was the Cooper coup 14:52:49 family YMCA. It was also a one day event that 14:52:53 cooperate in one room. It had a capacity of 14:52:58 80 people, so this was also considered a limitation, but now that we'll be considering online 14:53:02 , that's something we'll be able to address. 14:53:08 It was also -- the format also included round tables with panel members 14:53:12 , and these happened, these took place during the reception 14:53:16 , so we always have to have a social aspect around DEEP 14:53:18 and this was one of them. 14:53:22 Last week, we had no blackout section. So some of 14:53:26 you, because DEEP 2019 was my first year attending 14:53:31 , I don't have direct experience with how the format was managed at OCAD University 14:53:36 campus when different rooms were available for breakou breakout sessions, but 14:53:41 this is what made DEEP 2019 standout a little bit differently. 14:53:45 And now just before I move on to 14:53:51 diving into the DEEP 2020 format, I just wanted to open it up to Uta, who might want to 14:53:55 speak about how we responded to the community following 14:53:57 DEEP 2019. 14:54:01 » Jutta: Sure. Gloria, 14:54:05 I won't be take too much tim time, but I definitely addressed 14:54:09 a lot of the great input that we had and discussions that we had 14:54:13 from the working groups that met 14:54:23 tables during deep. If you recall, the teams included accessible smart cities. 14:54:28 They included gig economies and issues 14:54:32 with workers within the 14:54:37 gig economy. They also included education and the transformation of education 14:54:42 , as well as the overall theme of 14:54:48 way counts, disability and data science or equitable treatment of minorities and 14:54:53 outliers in data science. And a subtheme within that was privacy and 14:54:57 the issue of how to avoid data abuse 14:55:00 and misuse. 14:55:04 And so since DEEP, we have pursued projects in it each of 14:55:09 those areas that are addressing the various challenges 14:55:14 . Projects we count is not actually 14:55:18 a full year, but according to the government it's calendar year and 14:55:22 we submitted a report. But what we've 14:55:26 done within that project is 14:55:31 cover two areas, the area of ethical A 14:55:35 I and the area of smart 14:55:40 cities and smart communities in that we engaged with the waterfront 14:55:46 Toronto project that was proposed 14:55:51 by Sidewalk Labs, which has recently been canceled, but which luckily 14:55:57 what has happened through that is that the new RFP, which will be 14:56:02 going out, will be forefronting the ethical issues 14:56:08 that we revealed in our guidelines. And so both 14:56:13 of our contributions that we made to that, there's 14:56:17 two documents, will lead the guidelines that go into the next RFP 14:56:23 . So waterfront Toronto is moving forward with 14:56:27 the project, but it will issue a new RFP, and so 14:56:32 accessibility won't be sort of an afterthought. It will be 14:56:35 -- inclusion itch design won't be an 14:56:39 afterthought. It will be right at this beginning and in the requirements. 14:56:43 We also applied for a 14:56:47 future work proposal to add guidelines 14:56:52 and standards or to address gaps in standards for 14:56:56 future of work and disability for the accessible Canada 14:57:00 act. And one of the areas that we will be working 14:57:06 on is what does that mean to have an accessible data science, not 14:57:11 just from the perspective of having access to data 14:57:16 science, but also participating in the creation 14:57:18 of various outcomes of data science. 14:57:22 We continues to work with 14:57:28 the Hewlett foundation on our 14:57:35 flow project with partnership in cast and the U.S. Department of Education in personalized learning, and one of the 14:57:40 things that we're exploring right now is how do we significantly 14:57:45 transform learning? And we hope 14:57:50 to explore the theme of how do we use this disruption in school to address 14:57:55 many of the barriers to transformation that occurred 14:58:00 before where people are very much used to a particular routine 14:58:05 and it's difficult to 14:58:12 change many structures there to make it more inclusive. We're looking at how do 14:58:16 we use this disruption in school to rethink learning and at a much deeper level than 14:58:20 simply whether the classroom activities are in class or out of class 14:58:25 ? Both for K to 12 and for post-secondary. 14:58:29 And then we are also working 14:58:35 with cooperated tiff movements, including a number of 14:58:41 co-op ventures to specifically work on care and the provision 14:58:45 of care and 14:58:50 gig economy workers, front line workers on more ethical 14:58:55 care. 14:58:59 Work with benefits and social safety 14:59:04 nets, et cetera, and appropriate rewards noted work done. And then one last thing I'll 14:59:10 mention is we have a partnership where the 14:59:14 tribal colleges in the U.S. where we are 14:59:20 looking at deconstructing textbooks and adding Indigenous perspectives. And 14:59:25 that's taking us into not just adding Indigenous perspectives 14:59:29 to textbooks, but looking at multi perspective 14:59:34 text beings boo. How do you tell more than a single perspective on 14:59:38 truth or different ways of knowing something? 14:59:50 These Indigenous perspectives are being added 14:59:55 by 20 different 14:59:59 communities represented by the tribal colleges, students as well as the knowledge keepers within the communities and 15:00:04 the faculties 15:00:12 within those areas. One of the themes within that is also the value 15:00:16 systems related to environmental studies 15:00:26 , STEM languages, endangered languages, and how 15:00:30 to treat various members within the community in terms of social science. There's a 15:00:35 social science 15:00:40 whoaments to it. That's a quick run down or summary. I won't be take any more time. I'd love 15:00:45 to take any questions that you have. 15:00:50 He 15:00:54 » Gloria: Thank you. Some of the things you pointed out I think will come up later in the 15:00:58 topic section. There seems to be overlap. Some of the participants and the ideas they've 15:01:03 contributed, I feel like that would be a good time to open it up to more questions. 15:01:08 So 15:01:14 in his anybody have questions regarding that 15:01:15 ? 15:01:18 » Vera: Pina indicated they would like to answer. 15:01:22 » Pina: Go ahead. 15:01:27 I think, Pina, you're 15:01:31 on mute. 15:01:45 P Pina, still can't hear you. I think you're going to have to 15:01:51 unmute yourself. 15:02:05 » Pina, are you able to type your 15:02:08 question? 15:02:12 » Pina: Can you hear me now? Oh 15:02:17 , yah. Jutta, thank you very much for the 15:02:21 exhaustive list really. On the education one that you're talking 15:02:25 about, restructuring how education 15:02:29 is going to be, particularly 15:02:33 when we talk about education 15:02:39 for children with disabilities 15:02:43 , children who are on the spectrum, children who potentially 15:02:49 require a combination of modalities. Is that something that's going to be part and parcel of 15:02:55 that? 15:03:03 » Jutta: Definitely. Some of the transformations 15:03:06 that are being considered to address that include how do we take advantage of 15:03:10 multigenerational learning? How do we address 15:03:15 things like more collaborative learning? Problem project based 15:03:19 learning? And those are some of the themes, 15:03:23 yes, but definitely creating 15:03:29 a community of you is 15:03:34 port for children who may be excluded and 15:03:38 also all of the -- into whether or not it's online and whether 15:03:42 we move toward more hybrid learning, how do we address some of the 15:03:46 barriers that are experienced by kids who have digital barriers, cognitive 15:03:52 barriers to the new forms of 15:03:56 participation? The going back to normal is something that I think not very 15:04:03 many people anticipate will happen, and many people feel it's not, in fact, 15:04:06 a desired outcome. So how do we 15:04:10 use this particular disruption to see 15:04:16 whether you can explore things that are forms of education that are more inclusive 15:04:18 ? 15:04:22 » Pi -- Pina 15:04:27 : Yes, thank you. There's a new normal. I really feel that during this 15:04:31 Covid situation, that pandemic situation 15:04:39 more and more children who need that extra support have been left behind. 15:04:43 So thank you for helping us understand how we're going to address that 15:04:44 . 15:04:48 » Jutta: Yeah. And I think the whole question of what is behind. 15:04:52 So is this a single path towards 15:04:56 a common goal or what does behind mean? Is it better to 15:05:01 think about differentiation of education at this 15:05:05 point? 15:05:15 What does assessment me. 15:05:19 » Well, Pina: What does success mean in school. How did we 15:05:23 look at it differently? [Indiscernible] as well for 15:05:29 sure. 15:05:35 » Janet greener has a question. 15:05:39 » Janet: I wanted to connect on the last comments there that was said 15:05:43 . That success, the current successful method 15:05:49 , what I've learned during Covid is a lot of methods are already existing 15:05:53 , as we all know aren't necessarily successful and that's something we may not 15:05:57 translate into real life and something our parents and families can embrace 15:06:02 themselves. So a real big overhaul of what is currently being 15:06:06 done and how it can be improved and sort of not necessarily generalized, but definitely 15:06:11 translated over the varying different life 15:06:15 transitions that people go through. A lot of my elementary kiddos, the 15:06:19 strategies that they use at school may work in that school setting, but they 15:06:25 really don't work necessarily in any other setting 15:06:29 , nor are parents necessarily able to utilize them themselves. Does that make 15:06:31 sense? 15:06:35 » Pi in ta: It does to me, and it does touch on things that 15:06:40 I was thinking of as we delved into this topic 15:06:42 . 15:06:43 » Vera: Judy Brewer would like to speak. 15:06:47 » Judy Brewer: Hi there. Am I coming through? 15:06:52 Grea Great. Yeah. I'm very interested in this topic 15:06:56 as well and we've got some activities going in the web 15:07:01 accessibility con sorum related to this. I'm saying this, 15:07:06 because I would love to get additional inputs 15:07:10 and collaborate with people and to, if possible, help serve as a forum to capture certain 15:07:14 issues. And where possible, not only get built 15:07:19 into best practices, but also potentially guidelines in the future 15:07:23 . We started also thinking that this was 15:07:27 a fairly limited 15:07:32 need where there would be some things we could highlight. Best freeze a shorted period of time with accessible 15:07:37 remote meetings, for instance, and then it became clear that it's everything 15:07:41 . It's temperature I work. It's telehealth. It's remote 15:07:47 education 15:07:56 and existing accessibility guidelines, one thing we're doing is highlighting some of 15:08:01 what may already apply. People having that available, and 15:08:05 then also, we expect that we're 15:08:07 identifying gaps in the guidance 15:08:11 that's out there, and also just different 15:08:15 levels, a platform level, the standard 15:08:20 level, the poster participant, post best practices 15:08:25 survival, participant survival techniques, stuff like that. I hope in it the next week or 2 to circulate 15:08:31 around links and the last comment is W2 C has been trying 15:08:35 to define an accessible continuity of 15:08:41 operations mode for both small and large format remote 15:08:47 meetings. We just completed a two day advisory 15:08:51 committee meeting. We were told it has gone very well in that format, so we're happy to share what 15:08:56 we've learned from that, both successes 15:09:00 and issues still to be resolved with any community 15:09:05 interested in trying some of that or sharing. 15:09:09 » And Janet, did you have something to add before we move 15:09:13 on? 15:09:17 » Janet: Sorry. I have thoughts and people say something and I 15:09:22 get inspired. One thing I wanted address, 15:09:26 as far as being preventative and keeping inclusion on it is floor, I work with a lot of 15:09:30 people, we are healing from 15:09:35 previous noninclusive environment. So is there a component for 15:09:39 still not only moving forward, but making sure we're addressing those who 15:09:44 have already been in noninclusive systems and have, you know, experienced 15:09:49 trauma or isolation or bias or 15:09:53 stigma from any of that? I can't forget the ones that have been through 15:09:57 it. 15:10:01 » Judy Brewer: This is one of the topics that we decided to pursue 15:10:07 in our old social justice repair indicated project. We were invited to look apt education 15:10:11 and learning differences. And most 15:10:16 of the other projects were with kids who were already in school, but we focused 15:10:21 on kids who had disengaged from school and 15:10:26 were caught in special safety nets, because kids with learning differences 15:10:31 are over represented, of course, in all 15:10:35 . Areas. Homelessness, 15:10:43 drug recovery systems, you name it. Child 15:10:48 labor. This is a global project we had, and we will be pursuing that further. It was a paper 15:10:52 that we wrote about what we ask 15:10:57 kids is why did you break up with school? What is it that caused that break 15:11:02 up? And the reports, I mean, and 15:11:06 it's quite quiet to see just how wounded kids can get from the current 15:11:11 school system. So there is a 15:11:15 project that we'll be pursuing again. But 15:11:19 we have several collective reports on what the kids and the teachers 15:11:24 and th the care workers and the youth 15:11:29 justice workers were saying about the school experience and how the schools 15:11:34 would change. [Indiscernible] 15:11:38 if possible. 15:11:43 Al also, W3C is currently updating 15:11:48 our previous Code of Ethics and professional conduct, so this is not 15:11:52 directly related to your question about schools 15:11:57 and people who have had prior experience 15:12:03 of hurtful exclusion, but I wanted to note that 15:12:07 some of it is oriented towards virtual formats, and also 15:12:12 that it is much more up-to-date and much 15:12:20 more detailed, including we got a lot of good input from people who were focusing on things. 15:12:25 I guess some of the broad category, microaggressions and so forth. Some of these 15:12:29 are very relevant to school settings, so that could potentially be part of 15:12:35 helping establish a safe environment going forward, although it doesn't directly address the 15:12:39 historical trauma. 15:12:47 » Vera: Pina, did you want to speak on the same topi topic? 15:12:55 » Judy Brewer: This is something under internal review, but 15:12:59 it's publicly visible, but it's not the version people would 15:13:04 see linked from our pages that I consent links to. 15:13:12 » Janet: Thank you. I guess it's more of a question for you, 15:13:16 Uta, as you go through these questions and projects of the White paper you're talking 15:13:20 about, which is incredibl incredibly, as you said, 15:13:25 poignant. It tells a lot of poignant stories and incredible findings. I mean, we do 15:13:29 -- there's a lot of research that happens. I guess my 15:13:33 question would be that one we have these research papers 15:13:37 , is what are we doing or what is 15:13:41 the influence we had in trying t to turn this into 15:13:47 actions? You know, I'd 15:13:51 hate to see all of this work sort of sit somewhere, as we know many times 15:13:56 happens, is there an active plan to take this further, as an example 15:13:57 ? Does that make sense? 15:14:01 » Yeah. And actually, 15:14:06 one of the things that has been helping that's been very optimistic through 15:14:10 the wee count project is to track the change, the impact we have 15:14:14 on culture. So we did a number of 15:14:19 surveys of academic programs that looked at AI, at 15:14:26 companies that were publishing ethical AI practices, and were 15:14:30 coming out with not only guidelines, but 15:14:34 actual implementations of things. And we were able to show that those individuals 15:14:38 that we worked with, the companies, the school boards, 15:14:43 the schools that we had discussed these things with that were 15:14:47 actually making significant 15:14:53 changes. Similarly, water front is adopting our 15:14:57 recommendations for the smarted cities component 15:15:02 . And then in terms of 15:15:06 school, so the U.S. Department of Ed has adopted a number of our 15:15:12 recommendations with respect to learning differences. So we want to return 15:15:17 to the discussion of this year's team. But there are definitely 15:15:21 -- this year's theme, but there are definitely 15:15:24 an number of signs of a deeper 15:15:28 cultural change that we can trace through a number of the documents 15:15:33 and recommendations and stories that we've published. 15:15:36 Thank you. 15:15:38 » Jutta: And I -- 15:15:42 » Vera: And I actually add that had to the collaborative document, Pina. So you can 15:15:45 elaborate on that later in the document. 15:15:48 » Pina: I will. 15:15:52 » Gloria: I wanted to move on to the 2020 format and the possibilities. So I'm going 15:15:56 to have three questions to pose for you all today in it terms of 15:16:01 possibilities for this format, and that would include thinking about pros, con 15:16:05 s, and ideas. The first question would be one day, multiple 15:16:10 day event, or workshop series? I wanted to know, in order to 15:16:14 get a sense of a positive and useful format 15:16:19 for DEEP, what have been some of your experiences, especially, as I think we're all aware 15:16:24 that we're constantly attending events lately virtually 15:16:29 . So what are the benefits and concerns of having either of these? 15:16:35 Any thoughts? 15:16:45 We're wondering if some of you have been to online conferences and can share your ideas of 15:16:50 what might work for DEEP? 15:16:57 » Can I say something? Can you hear me 15:16:57 ? » Vera: Yeah. 15:17:01 » Ather: I'd like to suggest that we go back to the fore mat 15:17:05 we had before last year, which is to offer 15:17:11 concurrent sessions where you would have somebody facilitate 15:17:16 the session and have a discussion on various topics. 15:17:23 Case studies, lessons learned from those case studies 15:17:27 , such as smart cities and other things that 15:17:31 we've been working on. So I like the idea of having 15:17:37 concurrent sessions and I think that would be good. I like the idea of case 15:17:39 studies. 15:17:43 » Gloria: Thank you. Anybody? Is I think I have Clayton. I have Pin 15:17:49 a on TOHRU. 15:17:53 » P 15:17:57 ina: This is Pina. I like doing the workshop 15:18:02 . Ism that frequently when you do these one hour sessions, you're just getting to 15:18:07 the meat of the discussion or the work and or and then we have to drop off. 15:18:11 So I like what the recommendation that was made earlier about the 15:18:16 concurrent sessions, but I like also to have enough time 15:18:20 that it's more like a workshop that at the end of the workshop, there's 15:18:25 an outcome. 15:18:31 » Vera: Okay. So 15:18:35 Clayton, Judy, and Cheryl. 15:18:39 » Clayton: Yeah, this is Clayton. I've been involved in a couple of meetings that had 15:18:44 to go online, and 15:18:49 experience seems to be the traditional sessions, that kind of thing go very 15:18:53 well, but what people miss is the opportunity 15:18:58 for unscripted interaction outside that framework. So whatever the overall 15:19:03 format is, and perhaps this would 15:19:08 argue in favor of having something a little bit longer as opposed to shorter, some arrangement 15:19:12 that allows the attendees to interact 15:19:17 with other attendees informally, and the way it happens naturally 15:19:22 at in-person meetings I think would be a good thing 15:19:27 . And if you remember I think it would be done more inclusive than perhaps in-person 15:19:32 meetings ordinarily provide. There's more detail once you get into it, thinking 15:19:38 about possibilities there. But it could be good to provide some support for that 15:19:42 kind of less structured interaction 15:19:47 among participants. 15:19:49 » Vera: Judy? 15:19:53 » Judy: Yes. I'm in remote medium 15:19:58 and large format meetings much of my days and also with W 15:20:03 3C's experiments, one of the things that we've been trying to do, 15:20:08 we have to bridge most of the time zones in it the world, and so there's a 15:20:13 fairly small window where it's being extraordinarily unfair to some 15:20:18 people. So for, like, a large and formal meeting, we will do 15:20:24 multi day, but the active discussion period will only be 90 minutes 15:20:28 . For instance, the past two days that's what we've done. For the presentation materials, we 15:20:33 prerecorded everything, captione captioned, got it translated into multiple 15:20:39 languages, and gave people a substantial amount of time in advance, you know 15:20:44 , a week or more to review all the background materials so that 15:20:48 the actual intersecting meeting time was 100% 15:20:53 discussion. So we took advantage of that interaction 15:20:58 and it worked better than we had hoped. In addition, we had a flexible 15:21:03 period of before, for half hour before and half hour after. So according 15:21:04 to 15:21:08 time zones, people could start to get the experience of hallway interactions. We expect to use 15:21:12 breakout rooms, next version of this, so that people 15:21:17 ca can, with similar interests, go into different smaller group discussions 15:21:21 for more interactivity and we're also looking at 15:21:26 using a Zoom-based augmentative reality interface to 15:21:30 Virtual Reality for some shared maybe semi-recreational 15:21:35 experience to again leverage some of the informal activities, like 15:21:39 a happy hour or a trip to a historical 15:21:46 landmark or something so that people have an opportunity to really get that informal 15:21:50 interaction, like a cafe, because you get completely different things out 15:21:55 of that part of the meeting meetings. 15:21:55 » Gloria: 15:21:58 So you're already doing that or working towards that? 15:22:02 » Judy: The last part is in development. Everything else we've been doing and 15:22:06 documenting some of it, and I think some of our materials from our past, 15:22:11 from our just done event may end up publicly available. I'm 15:22:15 not sure. But our method is already available. We're happy 15:22:19 to share anything that you're interested in. 15:22:23 » Vera: Fabulous. Thank you, Judy. Cheryl and then Lori. 15:22:28 » Cheryl: So let's see. I added some 15:22:33 things for possible speakers 15:22:39 , Indigenous speakers from a variety of different areas. For myself as an Indigenous 15:22:43 person, that's usually going to be the draw for me to want to attend 15:22:48 anything. And I believe actually it's 15:22:53 important. It's probably more important for people to listen to a knowwledge 15:22:59 knowledge-keeper than to just you know the land 15:23:03 acknowledgment by heart, which is sort of how it's starting to 15:23:07 become. 15:23:11 I think also, because of our world view, we tend be to be listening. When somebody is 15:23:15 speaking like the last speaker, who's very knowledgeable, I could 15:23:20 actually listen for quite a while you know? And 15:23:24 we're not interrupting. We aren't blurting out and wanting 15:23:28 to interject and add ideas. So I like that format. I like 15:23:33 that whether there's a speaker and they're 15:23:37 sharing knowledge and we're really just listening 15:23:41 and soaking it in. That works for me 15:23:47 and anyone this reset that we're going through in the world right now, it's really important that we 15:23:51 listen to that knowledge that's there. 15:23:57 I've got more to say, but I'll stop there. 15:24:01 » Vera: Thank you, and I love that you're putting things in that collaborative document, so 15:24:04 thank you for tha that, Cheryl. 15:24:08 Lori? Hang on, you're 15:24:12 muted. We have to unmute you. I've having difficulty unmuting you 15:24:15 . Are you able to? There you go. 15:24:19 » Lori: 15:24:22 -- 15:24:27 » Vera: Oh, no. It didn't go. Is it 15:24:29 too many hosts? Can't unmute? 15:24:32 » Gloria: Justin, are you there? Oh, there. Okay. 15:24:36 » Lori: It was on my end. Listening to everyone 15:24:40 , and I haven't been to DEEP the last few years, but was 15:24:44 there sometimes years ago. 15:24:49 And I guess I'll kind of end up with a 15:24:53 combination of all the ideas we've mentioned so far and thinking that the 15:24:57 workshop idea in a smaller group on a certain 15:25:02 topic would be useful. I think what would 15:25:06 help me is always having advance materials. So that would 15:25:10 help me get focused so that when we are together 15:25:14 and discussing, you know, ideas already and I've thought it through and things like 15:25:19 that, but then the idea of maybe taking 15:25:23 that and having a group work through it. So advance materials, have a workshop 15:25:29 group that spends a 90 minute suggestion or longer to work through 15:25:34 a topic, and then to use that one day 15:25:38 to share so that you're actually using all three components in a way, but 15:25:44 at the same time, I would say that, well, you would expect that we would all have lots of time 15:25:49 these days. We tend to be extremely busy. Recognizing that you 15:25:50 don't 15:25:54 want to draw it out too much, but again, as I think 15:25:58 Pina said, you want to come out with an outcome with some sort of 15:26:03 focused result and, like others, we're 15:26:07 saying you wanted to give people who don't want to jump in right away or are 15:26:11 in a big crowd the opportunity to share 15:26:15 and the 90 minute idea seemed like a good timeline as well. So kind of taking the 15:26:19 ideas that everybody else has mentioned and pulling it together 15:26:25 to one option 15:26:25 . 15:26:26 » Vera: Janet? 15:26:30 » Janet: Just 15:26:34 to add on, I'm new, so I'm assuming you already know everything I'm going 15:26:39 to say. I apologize if I'm just stating the obvious 15:26:43 . But I have a collaborated. I don't do anything 15:26:48 about anyone without them. Similar to what Pina 15:26:52 mentioned, just making sure that we're utilizing the real experts 15:26:59 when we are discussing information regarding FAS 15:27:03 D and 15:27:20 . I don't know if there's a way to showcase the people that 15:27:25 do the cell advocacy work for their own sort of needs in it the community 15:27:29 as well. 15:27:39 » Vera: That's something we're always endeavor to do and to try to do better and better every year. I think 15:27:43 that's a great thing to remind us, regardless of whether we know it or not. It's 15:27:48 a very important point. I think there's 15:27:52 no more hands up. But I did see that we kind of 15:27:57 managed to hit all three of those things. Right? Is so that was really nicely 15:28:01 done. Did you want me to go to the in text slide, Gloria? Or do you have more to 15:28:06 add mere? Ander glow we can move on. 15:28:12 » I think Judy wanted to say something. 15:28:17 » I don't know your name, but MCV 15:28:17 -- 15:28:21 » Lori, thank you, the comments you were making, I want to just critique the model we were 15:28:26 using in one regard, which is we did a bit of post analysis and we 15:28:30 found that it seems like the people who are kind of 15:28:35 most established in their field of expertise were the ones who were confident speaking in this the format 15:28:41 I described and that people wh who -- there were many people that we did not hear from 15:28:45 , and so we've started 15:28:49 to explore like ice breaking techniques and stuff to get more equal 15:28:54 participation hopefully in it the future. But it has problems as well. Just wanted to be clear about 15:28:58 that. 15:29:01 » Gloria: Thank you. 15:29:03 » Vera: I see Pina has something to add, I think. 15:29:07 » Pina: 15:29:31 -- 15:29:33 » Vera: I can't still can't hear you, Pina. 15:29:37 » Gloria: Justin let us know in the chat some we can 15:29:42 unout and others we ask to unmute. It might depend on personal settings 15:29:43 . » Vera: I see. 15:29:47 » Pina: Am I good? Actually, 15:29:53 thank you. to Judy's point about the 15:29:58 people whose voice you heard, I guess it's more of a question than anything else. 15:30:02 You know, even in this example where we're using multiple channels 15:30:07 to communicated and participate in this 15:30:12 session as an example, I think part of it is in regards to the topic, 15:30:17 but also part of it is also being attentive to the knowledge as to how the tools 15:30:21 are being used and who can use them. Because I know for 15:30:26 myself as a screen reader and someone who can 15:30:31 relate to this, you're shifting from screen to screen to screen all the time to try and touch 15:30:35 all the channels that people are using. 15:30:41 It could lead to that silence that you were referring to, Judy 15:30:46 . 15:30:51 » Gloria: Thank you, pina. So I'm just 15:30:57 goal to carry on with DEEP theme and topics. On this slide, we wanted to 15:31:01 bring up the conversations about the state of inclusion, which was the theme that we had for 15:31:06 last year. And some of these topics included informed consents in the age of 15:31:10 data signs, the future of work, the gig economy, and the digital 15:31:16 skills gap. Open education and inclusive 15:31:21 lifelong learning. And we came up with an ask, which is a projects to include an inclusive 15:31:25 data ecosystem. And there was quite a bits of pretty much all 15:31:29 of the topics that were addressed were my understanding at DEEP 2019 were really 15:31:34 touching on the artificial intelligence aspect, and the announcements of we 15:31:38 count was made, which is a projects funded by the accessible technology program 15:31:43 to help find solutions that help Canadians with disabilities overcome barriers 15:31:48 that come in the way of their full participation in the workplace. And with that 15:31:52 , said, these are just some of the selected ones 15:31:56 . There were several more. But I wanted to move forward 15:32:01 with themes for 2020. 15:32:07 Any thoughts to consider? We have some questions. What do 15:32:11 we want to focus on for DEEP 2020? What activities 15:32:16 can we engage in to further our cushions and wor work? And what can work well in it the 15:32:17 online format? 15:32:21 So I know we've addressed some of these, but please, I'm opening up to more 15:32:25 questions and feedback and to think about the theme, I'd like to get a sense of that from the 15:32:31 group. 15:32:37 Pina? 15:32:48 » Vera: We'll let you know when you're 15:32:49 unmuted, pina. 15:32:52 » Pina: Okay? » Vera: Yes. 15:32:56 » Pina: Okay. Cool. I'm just going to throw it out there as a start 15:33:00 of the conversation and hopefully everybody 15:33:05 will kick in. But thing that was mentioned earlier 15:33:09 in it the introduction was about transformation. How do we transform 15:33:13 from where we are from where we need to be. And I wonder if that could be sort of the 15:33:19 leading discussion or point. 15:33:23 Right? 15:33:30 » Vera: I like that. 15:33:33 » Vera: Lori and then Janet. 15:33:37 » Lori: 15:34:01 -- 15:34:03 » Vera: It typically shows up in the bottom left. You got it. 15:34:07 » Lori: I thought gauze I didn't re-mute myself that you would be able to do 15:34:09 it. 15:34:12 » Vera: I didn't even try. Sorry. 15:34:16 » Lori: Next time we'll try that. This is more of a 15:34:21 current idea and I mean, maybe it will be ending soon. We can always hope 15:34:25 . But something that itch noticed in talking to a number of of people with disabilities recently 15:34:31 has been that the Covid experience has shown up all 15:34:35 of these new barriers for them and new gams. So things like not having 15:34:41 your assistive technology maybe for the work that's at home or not having the same applications, 15:34:46 things like, you know, personal support workers or delivery 15:34:50 people not being able to come right to your door or right into your home 15:34:55 . So there's a lot of new barriers that people are facing 15:34:57 . 15:35:01 I don't think anything that's really 15:35:07 solvable, but it is a struggle for some people right 15:35:12 now. Especially 15:35:17 people who have some perm support during the week. 15:35:29 Just share tha that. 15:35:29 » Vera: Janet? 15:35:33 » Janet: I like all of those ideas. 15:35:49 Everybody has been kind of affected by somebody finally, so maybe to be able to step 15:35:54 into some shoes of a difference perspective. So we really want to take advantage that have to 15:35:58 sort of spread the mindset that, you know, everyone has needs. Some 15:36:02 have more. We all need to adjust. And here is 15:36:06 really what we can do. And 15:36:10 my I'm going to go to the mental 15:36:16 health and that's kind of what I've been specializing in it, and I know that there's a massive lack in the 15:36:20 province that I'm in it of anyone who is specialized in it working with anyone with disability 15:36:25 , cognitive or their 15:36:29 mental health services. So there's a big gap in service providers 15:36:34 for those with disabilities that might need to transform. I like that 15:36:38 wor word, transform, for sure. 15:36:42 » Vera: I like that reset the mindset. I thought that was nice and catchy. I like the catchiness of that. 15:36:44 Thank you. 15:36:48 Now, Atherin, I see you posted in it the chat. Would you like 15:36:52 to talk about that or I just add it to the 15:36:57 document? You're 15:36:58 muted. 15:37:02 » Ather: Living with Covid-19 15:37:08 just presents, you know, great opportunities for our work, and I think that some of the areas 15:37:12 that we can look at is, you know, 15:37:16 gig economy and how learning disabilities are 15:37:21 being managed in our institutions and other examples that I've given. I think this is the time to think about 15:37:26 that and come up with some concrete 15:37:30 actionable items. 15:37:35 » Vera: Right. Thank you. 15:37:39 » Jutta: This is Jutta. If it I can quickly intersect. The sort 15:37:43 of notion of a new type of mindset 15:37:48 is very much linked to the actionable parts 15:37:53 . Certainly since the outbreak of the pandemic, we have been inundated 15:37:57 and just completely overwhelmed with requests for assistance in 15:38:02 changing ways of doing things and changing new 15:38:08 ways of or new ideas for how to do 15:38:12 things differently. Everything from the Bank of Canada asking for a 15:38:17 digital currency advice to 15:38:21 single identity management and single sign on systems that are more 15:38:25 accessible to broadcasters coming 15:38:30 to us asking about more inclusively 15:38:34 designed presentation of culture to the 15:38:39 list goes on and 15:38:44 on, including many individuals who are either front line 15:38:48 workers, so emergency management workers have been approaching 15:38:53 us. The paramedics have 15:38:57 been approaching us. So there are opportunities in each 15:39:02 of these to not just think 15:39:07 very practically and in the current momen moment, but also to think about, 15:39:09 to draw back and think about the 15:39:13 system as a whole. How do we make the entire system more inclusive and how do 15:39:17 all of these sort of tie together? 15:39:22 » Vera: Pina, do you want to add to that? 15:39:26 » Pina: to all of this conversation, I think it's great. I think the other thing that 15:39:31 I want to sort of defensor I mean, we hear a lot about how this 15:39:36 pandemic halls taught us new things, and in if some cases 15:39:40 , I have to disagree. It hasn't really taught us -- there are a lot of things 15:39:45 it hasn't taught us. What it has done is 15:39:50 it has increased the visibility 15:39:54 for some of the things, the barriers that exist, and some of the things that 15:39:59 we already had at our fingertips and did not take advantage of 15:40:04 . So I wonder if the conversation could be 15:40:09 maybe around in the acceleration of this change of mindset or the 15:40:13 acceleration of how we, you know, how we responded to this 15:40:18 because of, you know -- because I mean, access to assistive 15:40:22 technology has been around for a long time. In many cases, it's been the politics 15:40:27 , it's been in many cases in the policies that have 15:40:31 been barriers or attitudes. But the technology has been there, as an example. Right? 15:40:36 So I just -- I just think that it has really 15:40:40 increased the visibility of the barriers that 15:40:45 existed, and I think that it has also given us an opportunity to 15:40:49 see how responsive we can, in fact, be when 15:40:54 we have the right drivers 15:40:56 to be. 15:41:00 » Yeah. Good point. 15:41:06 » Gloria: So I do want to mention I think everybody has pretty 15:41:11 much touched on some of their topics, but I do want to mention that the Google Doc is looking very 15:41:16 good. And I want to open it up for more. If anybody would like to elaborate 15:41:21 more on some of the ideas they've put in that document, there were some that 15:41:26 I had previously added before the meeting from the survey questions that were asked 15:41:30 on registration. And if you would like to add 15:41:34 to them, please feel free. I know some of them 15:41:39 already have come up. 15:41:43 On the virtual social events. 15:41:48 » Vera: Did you want to review these now or did you want to come back to them if we have more time 15:41:51 ? I can't remember the -- 15:41:55 » Gloria: This is pretty much at the end. We are dedicating mostly to topics 15:41:57 and comments. 15:41:58 » Vera: Then go on. Sorry. 15:42:00 » Gloria: Yeah. We can go on. 15:42:04 » Vera: Do what you're doing, sorry. 15:42:08 » Pina: Vera, Gloria, for those of us 15:42:12 who can't edit the document, are you adding the comments we're making as well or is someone adding 15:42:14 it? 15:42:18 » Vera: Pina, when you have been speaking, I have put in pieces of what you've been saying. So I've 15:42:22 tried to sort of capture it from where it belongs, but you 15:42:26 find that you can't -- would you 15:42:30 be able to go into the Google Doc later when you don't have all the channels 15:42:35 open? And they're also recording so we can come back and grab ideas and put them 15:42:39 i in, because we're not getting all of them necessarily. So we hope to 15:42:44 compile all of them and also come up with a bit of a summary 15:42:48 or this document might end up being the summary once you've sort of sorted 15:42:52 and cleaned up and things like that. So it is being 15:42:56 captured one way or another, and you'll have opportunity to add after if you have time. And we certainly love all 15:43:01 of you to add ideas and thoughts, especially -- I'm a 15:43:05 bit curious myself about, you know, thinking 15:43:09 about new ways of engaging together in this kind of a format 15:43:14 or ways that are effective that would be interesting and 15:43:19 not just talk/listen, which has great value, 15:43:23 but I think it's nice when we have a variety of ways to go all together. That's an area I'm thinking 15:43:27 about and I'd love suggestions around that from people either here today or in the 15:43:33 document. Go back to you, 15:43:34 Gloria. 15:43:38 » Gloria: I'd like to keep it open if anybody has any comments 15:43:38 . 15:43:39 » Vera: There is a hand up. 15:43:43 » Gloria: Please. Go ahead. There's time. 15:43:49 » Jutta: One of the issues that I wanted to run by everyone, I was talking about being engaged 15:43:53 by many different groups, and one of the things 15:43:58 that emerged during Covid in it a much stronger way than ever 15:44:03 before is this notion of rationing and worthy 15:44:09 iness and whether it's equipment rationing or whether 15:44:13 it's determining who to risk 15:44:18 , and that certainly links into previous speakers that we've 15:44:22 had in it terms of the vulnerable adults or vulnerable 15:44:26 persons, Secretariat and Katharine 15:44:31 frizzy and back when we were looking at the legislation around 15:44:36 medically assistive [Indiscernible] and the we do valuing of people with disabilities -- 15:44:41 devaluing of people with disabilities. There is a lot of 15:44:45 conversation going on right now with respect 15:44:49 to this, given the pandemic and the future waves of pandemic, and I wonder 15:44:54 if this is a topic that is of interest to people? Because 15:44:58 we're certainly embroiled right now in quite a number of 15:45:03 debates. I've 15:45:08 been on 15:45:09 pan Canadian committees that are 15:45:13 looking at policies, but also international and provincial 15:45:17 committees. My role there is largely, how do we make the 15:45:21 communication accessible, but of course, the ethical 15:45:25 and perform issues that come up with quite scary and there 15:45:31 needs to be advocacy related to this. We already have quite a 15:45:36 long slate of topics here and perhaps 15:45:40 we can take the opportunity to have more topics 15:45:44 than we would usually be able to fit into one or two days in it this 15:45:48 online format. I 15:45:53 will paste into the chat something I wrote in response to some of that that sort of gives 15:45:58 you some sense of -- it touches on the mindset, 15:46:02 but also the issues that have come up in these 15:46:06 conversations. 15:46:08 » Vera: Susan, I think you also wanted to speak? 15:46:12 » Susan: Yes, sorry. I'm having trouble with 15:46:16 the hand raising tool. And I had to step away for a second. I can't 15:46:21 see the Google Doc. One of the things that comes up with the changing 15:46:25 of society was chaos and those types 15:46:31 of things is the opportunity for brief accessibility 15:46:36 . And I don't know if it's covered already. But we want to look at how we can sustain the efforts 15:46:40 that have been made to make remote work accessible 15:46:47 and shift so that it continued, even after it's not required 15:46:49 because of the virus. 15:46:53 The other piece that I wanted to state was that I worked on 15:46:59 large groups and breaking 15:47:03 into small sessions in Zoom rooms with assigned tasks and leaders seems to provide 15:47:07 an opportunity for those who 15:47:12 don't speak often to speak up. And it's a little less forced than 15:47:17 some just, you know, groundbreaking types of activities 15:47:21 . So that may be something to consider, as we have a 15:47:25 workshop or a theme to break out into smaller groups for discussion using 15:47:30 the Zoom rooms or something similar 15:47:30 . 15:47:34 » Vera: Right. I recorded your suggestions, but please go to the Google Doc when you're 15:47:38 able to and check it out. 15:47:42 Cheryl, I think you're next. Cheryl? 15:47:46 » Cheryl: Yeah. Something I forgot to say last time I spoke 15:47:51 . When you were asking about experience in conference 15:47:55 s and online, so my PhD 15:48:02 meets every two weeks, and I actually prefer that way better than our older 15:48:06 format of having a conference or having a seminar where it's 15:48:11 five long days of presentations. And I really am appreciating the fact that I've got 15:48:15 a schedule now where I can say that, you know, for this hour, 15:48:20 for this two hours on this week that I'm doing 15:48:24 this thing and there ising a lot of talk about the preparation in advance, things that you would 15:48:26 create, how you'd be prepared. 15:48:30 So I find that to be really a useful formats. And the other 15:48:34 thing in this sort of current discussion that we're talking about, I think many 15:48:39 years ago at DEEP, Sheila carbo carbondale, I think it was at DEEP 15:48:44 , presented and talked about data barons versus data 15:48:49 surfs. So I think really it would be good to have some consideration 15:48:53 of who are the data surfs right now in online remote learning 15:48:58 ? The urban Core? The remote Indigenous 15:49:08 and rural students. 15:49:15 Even to be able to be on a Zoom chat. I think that would 15:49:19 be really important to make sure that we 15:49:25 have that glaring, obvious hole that's happening where the -- you know be there's 15:49:29 a large surfdom being created. 15:49:33 » Vera: All right. We'll look at that one, very nic nice. Pina, you wanted 15:49:34 to adding some? 15:49:38 » Pina: Well, yes. Just a little point that was made 15:49:43 regarding whether having con 15:49:48 consecutive days or not. I think one of the things I want to make note of 15:49:53 is last year we had introduced a notion of having follow-up 15:49:57 sessions throughout the year. Right? You could keep people engaged, 15:50:01 to sort of get people 15:50:06 talking throughout the year so that we can 15:50:10 then this these conferences give a synopsis, anything out where we're going from there 15:50:14 . And I really -- and we did not deliver on that. So I'm 15:50:18 just trying to make sure that, you know, if we choose to, and 15:50:22 I was going to talk about it later, but now that it was brought up or not 15:50:27 , so if we choose to do this kind of sort of delivery 15:50:31 throughout the year 15:50:36 we want to make sure we have a fixed schedule, a fixed agenda so people can, 15:50:40 to the point that was made earlier, people actually know, because I think it's 15:50:44 important that we create that continuum. 15:50:48 » Well, pina, you will be happy to know we're actually working on the digging deeper schedule 15:50:52 right now. We've got a few invitations for certain speakers 15:50:57 that we're just waiting to hear from, but we've got some other things that we've got 15:51:02 in mind so that we can get started, and the plan just got a little bit 15:51:09 derailed. About four months ago. And so, you know, we're just rethinking how the digging 15:51:14 deeper and events occur. And digging deeper 15:51:18 is going to be sort of intertwined with we count, just like dep 15:51:24 2020 was intertwined with some of the previous topics of we count. And 15:51:29 so we're getting a bit excited about what we're thinking of. So hopefully we'll 15:51:34 have that to share within the coming months. 15:51:42 » Gloria: If there are no questions, we can mover on to the next slide and you've pretty much covered 15:51:46 one of those points already, Vera, about the bigging DEEP 15:51:47 er. 15:51:51 » Vera: You know, it was a great segway. Like I sai said, we're excited about it. 15:51:56 » Gloria: Yeah. So just to make a mention, after today's meeting, we 15:52:00 will be creating an e-mail to follow with a summary 15:52:05 . This can also be distributed to other participants that maybe couldn't join us or had to leave early. We hope that 15:52:09 that's going to help, you know, capture all the points that were made today. And 15:52:13 I also want to make a mention, it's not up on the slide, but I want to make 15:52:17 a mention that the Google document will remain live for 15:52:21 everybody to continued contributing after today, and we will make a note at the top 15:52:26 of the document when it's no longer being -- when we're no 15:52:30 longer taking in more comments. So it will just indicate at the top 15:52:34 that the document is now closed. But Vera, I think we 15:52:39 discussed it could be available to edit for the next couple of weeks 15:52:39 . 15:52:40 » Vera: Uh-huh, for sure. 15:52:42 » Gloria: Yeah. 15:52:46 » Vera: For as long as it takes us to distill all of these grade ideas. 15:52:50 And so please do check in as inspirations hits. And if 15:52:54 you have an idea, and we've sort of 15:52:59 indicated that we're not looking at that document anymor anymore, because we've sort of 15:53:03 distilled it somewhere else, we would still wanted you to -- we'll have a way to 15:53:07 contact us directly so you can share or perhaps it will be a 15:53:12 new collaboration. 15:53:26 » Pina: 1 of the things we didn't cover 15:53:44 » A lot of presentations that we had were, as 15:53:49 you sai said. The projects we're doing as far as support, so 15:53:53 when you're trying to invite private sector, for example, 15:53:58 some of that stuff may not be 15:54:04 so relevant to them. I think it's important for us to actually think about 15:54:08 who is our audienc audience. Do we want researchers? Do we want a 15:54:14 sense with professionals? 15:54:23 How do we want it? 15:54:31 » Jutta: The point of DEEP is we want a diversity of perspectives, and 15:54:35 specifically we're going to forefront the foreground of people that are going to be most impacted by 15:54:40 the decision, sort of the designs that we have. So in response 15:54:44 to your question, pina, I think the idea 15:54:48 is that in order to achieve some of the systemic 15:54:53 changes that we want to achieve, we need 15:54:57 everyone that is impacted by it, and so 15:55:01 that means diversity and it may be that we 15:55:06 need to then also balance the contented or the way that we presented or the way that people 15:55:12 can participate so that we're not leaving people out. 15:55:16 We're also doing things in a way that people are not used to. 15:55:21 We don't have introductions. We don't 15:55:27 have -- we try to communicate the fact that 15:55:32 we expect -- that lived experience is just as valuable as 15:55:36 perhaps academic 15:55:41 experience. And you know the drill. 15:55:42 . 15:55:46 » No, I know. And it does touch on, quote/unquote, that engagement 15:55:51 . How do we want to engage more broadly? More inclusion 15:55:55 ism? Because in reality, a lot of these things touch people differently. 15:55:59 Some more than others. Right? And so it's really more of a question. And 15:56:05 we need different partners at the table at different times. And so 15:56:09 that's really what I wanted to try for us to 15:56:14 think about as we're sort of developing, you know, the topics 15:56:18 and the Ads. We're trying to have these topics and then want to reach out to people 15:56:25 to participate. 15:56:30 » Jutta: Yeah. And perhaps what we can foreground it is more of an 15:56:34 introduction of what to expect. This isn't the standard conference of it's definitely academic. 15:56:38 It's also not like [Indiscernible] or other 15:56:43 accessibility events 15:56:49 . Et cetera. Al here is a conference 15:56:53 where we are going to 15:56:58 be looking at gaps, unsolved issues, an 15:57:00 and the people that are missing from the conversations. 15:57:04 » And those people can come in in 15:57:08 just a specific workshop or specific section or the entire conference itself 15:57:12 itself. 15:57:16 » We'd love to hearing suggestions as to how we can continuous I 15:57:20 didn't add to a better job of missing and perspectives that are missing 15:57:25 . 15:57:29 » Janet: I'm a vision. That's why I look off when I'm 15:57:33 talking, because I picture different 15:57:38 sort of themes where that's going to be sort of you're welcome to everything, but if 15:57:42 you want to go deeper into, you know, the front line healthcare 15:57:49 workers and those professions or if you're an educator specifically, yeah, I think it's totally 15:57:53 doable to sort of have theme days. Overlap between all of 15:57:59 this. 15:58:13 Wow. 15:58:32 Resource ideas, I did receive a couple of e-mails just 15:58:36 before the meeting from participants that couldn't attend last minute, but they shared a 15:58:40 few different details that they wanted to contract. So please feel free 15:58:45 to e-mail me personally at G Bernal 15:58:49 Gomez at OCAD U dot YA and also I monitor the IDRC e-mail account, so you 15:58:54 can just, for the shake of making it a lot simpler, IDRC at 15:58:58 OCAD CA. 15:59:18 . And if you so much, everyone, for joining us. I will stay on the call for a few 15:59:23 more minutes to make sure that there's no more questions 15:59:25 and anybody wants to add anything, but thank 15:59:29 you again for joining us today and we'll keep you posted on upcoming events 15:59:33 . 15:59:37 » You were suggesting that you might have something to add, but weren't sure whether you could 15:59:42 add it. If you want to take 15:59:43 this time, there are still people here. 15:59:47 » Yes, there are still people. There's still quite a number of people 15:59:51 here. 15:59:54 » Did you hear someone raise your hand? 15:59:55 » It was Paulo. 15:59:59 » Captionist: I need to sign off to get to another event. 16:00:01 ( **********DISCLAIMER********** THE FOLLOWING IS AN UNEDITED R OUGH DRAFT TRANSLATION FROM THE CART CAPTIONER'S OUTPUT FILE. THIS TRANSCRIPT IS NOT VERBATIM AND HAS NOT BEEN PROOFREAD. TO DO SO IS AN EXTRA FEE. THIS FILE MAY CONTAIN ERRORS. 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