next slide.
» Vera: We're recording.
» Gloria: Just wanted to be clear that for the use, this video
will be recorded, but for the use for the deep organizing
committee. Let them though if anybody is not okay with the session being recorded. Now is a good
time.
So Justin, if you could please start recording.
So thank you, everyone, for joining us today. For those of
you that are in Canada, I hope you had a nice long weekend. I know I
sure did take some time to rest. I hope you're all
doing well. Today we're going to be meeting
for the vision for D DEEP2020. What would you like DE
EP to be. We are part of the inclusive design research center
at OCAD University, and I know upon registration
we had some participants that indicated that they have never attended a D
EEP before, so I want to welcome you as well especially. We hope
that today's session will be productive and collaborative
. I want to introduce myself briefly. My name is Gloria Bernal and I'm
the Assistant at the inclusive design research
center. I also joined the DEEP team
last year to assist with the logistics, and we also have
members of the committee here, so again, Vera Roberts
and David Pe deda, and the director
, Trevor Hannon. And we are going to start. I will move on to the agenda
, but first of all, I just want to let
you know this meeting is with the expectation that D DEEP2020 is going to be
an online he spent this year. So to deep in that in mind for the rest of the
meeting. Thank yo you. Okay.
So the agenda.
We have the first part, which we'll cover some meeting guidelines
for participation, and as we have been sharing the links, if anybody needs these links again, we'll just
share them on the chat. Then we'll move on to the second part, which is the
overview of DEEP. The third will be the DEEP
format: Thoughts and questions. Now, I've assigned some time for each of
these category in order to just stay on track, but of course this is flexible
. And then we'll be moving on from DEEP format to DEEP
theme and topics. And then at the last part of this agenda, we'll be
doing wrap-up and next steps. Okay?
Now moving on to the guidelines. Just to give you a brief idea. So
this presentation is really just -- these slides will just be a way
to guide us through all the questions that you have and points that we'd like to make
. Besides those slides, we have a participation link, so we have our
live Google document that is also available in the chat for accessing the link if
you're not already there. And then we also have
the trace online hand raising utility. So TOHRU. For those of you who are wondering why
we're using this, as I've mentioned earlier, it's really to make
sure that because we have a large group meeting today, we want to make
sure we have a queue in place, and this will allow Vera and David,
who are helping me monitor, open up the floor to
participants to have their say. We also have the Zoom chat and the hand raising function
if you prefer to use those.
So for the hand raising utility,
we have -- so where it asks for the meeting ID to be put in. It's
DE EP2020, and then
you'll be prompted to put in your name. So please type in your name as
you wish for it to appear, and
then select enter as participant.
So once you are in hand raising utility and you've logged in, I'm just going to read what's
on the slide. The TOHRU tool will allow you
to raise and lower our hand or indicate if you would like to comment on a current topic
or start a new one. We'll be using this to manage
the discussion, and I just want to point out once you're here and if you're using
TOHRU, there's a little option at the bottom of your selection that says optional reminder
or hin hint, so we don't know how many people are
going to be queuing up, but I find this a very helpful tool if you would like to put in a
little comment for yourself in case you're waiting for your turn. It's just a nice little option
to have.
» Vera: Tina, did you have a question or were you testing the
hand raise?
» Gloria: You're on mute. Sorry, Tina.
» Tina: I have a question. So I was
just testing how this was working, trying to follow
what you were saying, so I'm good.
» Vera: Pina, you were using the hand raising tool in Zoom, which
works fine. Alternatively, you can open up the TOHR
U hand rising tool in the separate window and use it as well. Someone else had a
question I heard.
» Cheryl.
» Hi, Cheryl. I didn't get the UR
L for the TOHRU. If there's some way to get that
again.
» Gloria: Yeah. We can just share it again onto
the chat.
It's there, hand raising utility
.
» Cheryl: I'm going to take a screen shot. Hold on. There. Okay. Thanks. Thank you
very much. » Vera: No problem.
» Gloria: Okay. So we are now going to be moving on to our next
slide. This is to recover just the deep conference overview before
we dive into 2019 and 2020. I just wanted
to mention DEEP began in 2012 and we are now moving into the preparations for our
ninth annual event. DEEP does welcome the insights
of participants who may be left out, but profoundly affected by decision
. So it is collaboration that take place at
cross-section terms. For example, technology, education, government, science, and research, to name
a few, and now I'm just going to go over with what's on our slide
.
So goals and objectives for today are to engaging in meaningful
-- not just for today.
» Vera: Today is well perhaps.
» Gloria: But this is for DEEP. If you. So it will be to engage in a meaning
ful debate to access multiple perspectives, to be collaborative
and interactive, to promote the goal of
inclusive participation, to have a diverse audience
and panel, to address challenges and share information
and innovative strategies.
Moving on to DEEP
2020 vision meeting. So now that you have an idea of what DEEP stands for and what our goals are,
I also want to ensure we keep our meeting focused as we are
limited with time. So our goals for this meeting really are
to be able to identify a theme, to learn topics that are of interest to you
, to anticipate and plan for challenges, and
to discover opportunities. And at this point, I want to remind everybody that you are going to have access or
that you've been given access to a Google document that's live right
now. The shorthand url is there on the slide, but
if you haven't already logged into that, and then once again
, just to keep in mind that we are
going to be having to meet on an online format,
so your contributions today will help us plan what DNA would look like, what it would be like, and hopefully
, yeah, we'll move on.
So for DNA 2019 format,
I wanted to provide a general overview. I know some of you were in attendance
. Others were in attendance in previous years, but 2019 was slightly different
, because we were in a new venue, which was the Cooper coup
family YMCA. It was also a one day event that
cooperate in one room. It had a capacity of
80 people, so this was also considered a limitation, but now that we'll be considering online
, that's something we'll be able to address.
It was also -- the format also included round tables with panel members
, and these happened, these took place during the reception
, so we always have to have a social aspect around DEEP
and this was one of them.
Last week, we had no blackout section. So some of
you, because DEEP 2019 was my first year attending
, I don't have direct experience with how the format was managed at OCAD University
campus when different rooms were available for breakou breakout sessions, but
this is what made DEEP 2019 standout a little bit differently.
And now just before I move on to
diving into the DEEP 2020 format, I just wanted to open it up to Uta, who might want to
speak about how we responded to the community following
DEEP 2019.
» Jutta: Sure. Gloria,
I won't be take too much tim time, but I definitely addressed
a lot of the great input that we had and discussions that we had
from the working groups that met
tables during deep. If you recall, the teams included accessible smart cities.
They included gig economies and issues
with workers within the
gig economy. They also included education and the transformation of education
, as well as the overall theme of
way counts, disability and data science or equitable treatment of minorities and
outliers in data science. And a subtheme within that was privacy and
the issue of how to avoid data abuse
and misuse.
And so since DEEP, we have pursued projects in it each of
those areas that are addressing the various challenges
. Projects we count is not actually
a full year, but according to the government it's calendar year and
we submitted a report. But what we've
done within that project is
cover two areas, the area of ethical A
I and the area of smart
cities and smart communities in that we engaged with the waterfront
Toronto project that was proposed
by Sidewalk Labs, which has recently been canceled, but which luckily
what has happened through that is that the new RFP, which will be
going out, will be forefronting the ethical issues
that we revealed in our guidelines. And so both
of our contributions that we made to that, there's
two documents, will lead the guidelines that go into the next RFP
. So waterfront Toronto is moving forward with
the project, but it will issue a new RFP, and so
accessibility won't be sort of an afterthought. It will be
-- inclusion itch design won't be an
afterthought. It will be right at this beginning and in the requirements.
We also applied for a
future work proposal to add guidelines
and standards or to address gaps in standards for
future of work and disability for the accessible Canada
act. And one of the areas that we will be working
on is what does that mean to have an accessible data science, not
just from the perspective of having access to data
science, but also participating in the creation
of various outcomes of data science.
We continues to work with
the Hewlett foundation on our
flow project with partnership in cast and the U.S. Department of Education in personalized learning, and one of the
things that we're exploring right now is how do we significantly
transform learning? And we hope
to explore the theme of how do we use this disruption in school to address
many of the barriers to transformation that occurred
before where people are very much used to a particular routine
and it's difficult to
change many structures there to make it more inclusive. We're looking at how do
we use this disruption in school to rethink learning and at a much deeper level than
simply whether the classroom activities are in class or out of class
? Both for K to 12 and for post-secondary.
And then we are also working
with cooperated tiff movements, including a number of
co-op ventures to specifically work on care and the provision
of care and
gig economy workers, front line workers on more ethical
care.
Work with benefits and social safety
nets, et cetera, and appropriate rewards noted work done. And then one last thing I'll
mention is we have a partnership where the
tribal colleges in the U.S. where we are
looking at deconstructing textbooks and adding Indigenous perspectives. And
that's taking us into not just adding Indigenous perspectives
to textbooks, but looking at multi perspective
text beings boo. How do you tell more than a single perspective on
truth or different ways of knowing something?
These Indigenous perspectives are being added
by 20 different
communities represented by the tribal colleges, students as well as the knowledge keepers within the communities and
the faculties
within those areas. One of the themes within that is also the value
systems related to environmental studies
, STEM languages, endangered languages, and how
to treat various members within the community in terms of social science. There's a
social science
whoaments to it. That's a quick run down or summary. I won't be take any more time. I'd love
to take any questions that you have.
He
» Gloria: Thank you. Some of the things you pointed out I think will come up later in the
topic section. There seems to be overlap. Some of the participants and the ideas they've
contributed, I feel like that would be a good time to open it up to more questions.
So
in his anybody have questions regarding that
?
» Vera: Pina indicated they would like to answer.
» Pina: Go ahead.
I think, Pina, you're
on mute.
P Pina, still can't hear you. I think you're going to have to
unmute yourself.
» Pina, are you able to type your
question?
» Pina: Can you hear me now? Oh
, yah. Jutta, thank you very much for the
exhaustive list really. On the education one that you're talking
about, restructuring how education
is going to be, particularly
when we talk about education
for children with disabilities
, children who are on the spectrum, children who potentially
require a combination of modalities. Is that something that's going to be part and parcel of
that?
» Jutta: Definitely. Some of the transformations
that are being considered to address that include how do we take advantage of
multigenerational learning? How do we address
things like more collaborative learning? Problem project based
learning? And those are some of the themes,
yes, but definitely creating
a community of you is
port for children who may be excluded and
also all of the -- into whether or not it's online and whether
we move toward more hybrid learning, how do we address some of the
barriers that are experienced by kids who have digital barriers, cognitive
barriers to the new forms of
participation? The going back to normal is something that I think not very
many people anticipate will happen, and many people feel it's not, in fact,
a desired outcome. So how do we
use this particular disruption to see
whether you can explore things that are forms of education that are more inclusive
?
» Pi -- Pina
: Yes, thank you. There's a new normal. I really feel that during this
Covid situation, that pandemic situation
more and more children who need that extra support have been left behind.
So thank you for helping us understand how we're going to address that
.
» Jutta: Yeah. And I think the whole question of what is behind.
So is this a single path towards
a common goal or what does behind mean? Is it better to
think about differentiation of education at this
point?
What does assessment me.
» Well, Pina: What does success mean in school. How did we
look at it differently? [Indiscernible] as well for
sure.
» Janet greener has a question.
» Janet: I wanted to connect on the last comments there that was said
. That success, the current successful method
, what I've learned during Covid is a lot of methods are already existing
, as we all know aren't necessarily successful and that's something we may not
translate into real life and something our parents and families can embrace
themselves. So a real big overhaul of what is currently being
done and how it can be improved and sort of not necessarily generalized, but definitely
translated over the varying different life
transitions that people go through. A lot of my elementary kiddos, the
strategies that they use at school may work in that school setting, but they
really don't work necessarily in any other setting
, nor are parents necessarily able to utilize them themselves. Does that make
sense?
» Pi in ta: It does to me, and it does touch on things that
I was thinking of as we delved into this topic
.
» Vera: Judy Brewer would like to speak.
» Judy Brewer: Hi there. Am I coming through?
Grea Great. Yeah. I'm very interested in this topic
as well and we've got some activities going in the web
accessibility con sorum related to this. I'm saying this,
because I would love to get additional inputs
and collaborate with people and to, if possible, help serve as a forum to capture certain
issues. And where possible, not only get built
into best practices, but also potentially guidelines in the future
. We started also thinking that this was
a fairly limited
need where there would be some things we could highlight. Best freeze a shorted period of time with accessible
remote meetings, for instance, and then it became clear that it's everything
. It's temperature I work. It's telehealth. It's remote
education
and existing accessibility guidelines, one thing we're doing is highlighting some of
what may already apply. People having that available, and
then also, we expect that we're
identifying gaps in the guidance
that's out there, and also just different
levels, a platform level, the standard
level, the poster participant, post best practices
survival, participant survival techniques, stuff like that. I hope in it the next week or 2 to circulate
around links and the last comment is W2 C has been trying
to define an accessible continuity of
operations mode for both small and large format remote
meetings. We just completed a two day advisory
committee meeting. We were told it has gone very well in that format, so we're happy to share what
we've learned from that, both successes
and issues still to be resolved with any community
interested in trying some of that or sharing.
» And Janet, did you have something to add before we move
on?
» Janet: Sorry. I have thoughts and people say something and I
get inspired. One thing I wanted address,
as far as being preventative and keeping inclusion on it is floor, I work with a lot of
people, we are healing from
previous noninclusive environment. So is there a component for
still not only moving forward, but making sure we're addressing those who
have already been in noninclusive systems and have, you know, experienced
trauma or isolation or bias or
stigma from any of that? I can't forget the ones that have been through
it.
» Judy Brewer: This is one of the topics that we decided to pursue
in our old social justice repair indicated project. We were invited to look apt education
and learning differences. And most
of the other projects were with kids who were already in school, but we focused
on kids who had disengaged from school and
were caught in special safety nets, because kids with learning differences
are over represented, of course, in all
. Areas. Homelessness,
drug recovery systems, you name it. Child
labor. This is a global project we had, and we will be pursuing that further. It was a paper
that we wrote about what we ask
kids is why did you break up with school? What is it that caused that break
up? And the reports, I mean, and
it's quite quiet to see just how wounded kids can get from the current
school system. So there is a
project that we'll be pursuing again. But
we have several collective reports on what the kids and the teachers
and th the care workers and the youth
justice workers were saying about the school experience and how the schools
would change. [Indiscernible]
if possible.
Al also, W3C is currently updating
our previous Code of Ethics and professional conduct, so this is not
directly related to your question about schools
and people who have had prior experience
of hurtful exclusion, but I wanted to note that
some of it is oriented towards virtual formats, and also
that it is much more up-to-date and much
more detailed, including we got a lot of good input from people who were focusing on things.
I guess some of the broad category, microaggressions and so forth. Some of these
are very relevant to school settings, so that could potentially be part of
helping establish a safe environment going forward, although it doesn't directly address the
historical trauma.
» Vera: Pina, did you want to speak on the same topi topic?
» Judy Brewer: This is something under internal review, but
it's publicly visible, but it's not the version people would
see linked from our pages that I consent links to.
» Janet: Thank you. I guess it's more of a question for you,
Uta, as you go through these questions and projects of the White paper you're talking
about, which is incredibl incredibly, as you said,
poignant. It tells a lot of poignant stories and incredible findings. I mean, we do
-- there's a lot of research that happens. I guess my
question would be that one we have these research papers
, is what are we doing or what is
the influence we had in trying t to turn this into
actions? You know, I'd
hate to see all of this work sort of sit somewhere, as we know many times
happens, is there an active plan to take this further, as an example
? Does that make sense?
» Yeah. And actually,
one of the things that has been helping that's been very optimistic through
the wee count project is to track the change, the impact we have
on culture. So we did a number of
surveys of academic programs that looked at AI, at
companies that were publishing ethical AI practices, and were
coming out with not only guidelines, but
actual implementations of things. And we were able to show that those individuals
that we worked with, the companies, the school boards,
the schools that we had discussed these things with that were
actually making significant
changes. Similarly, water front is adopting our
recommendations for the smarted cities component
. And then in terms of
school, so the U.S. Department of Ed has adopted a number of our
recommendations with respect to learning differences. So we want to return
to the discussion of this year's team. But there are definitely
-- this year's theme, but there are definitely
an number of signs of a deeper
cultural change that we can trace through a number of the documents
and recommendations and stories that we've published.
Thank you.
» Jutta: And I --
» Vera: And I actually add that had to the collaborative document, Pina. So you can
elaborate on that later in the document.
» Pina: I will.
» Gloria: I wanted to move on to the 2020 format and the possibilities. So I'm going
to have three questions to pose for you all today in it terms of
possibilities for this format, and that would include thinking about pros, con
s, and ideas. The first question would be one day, multiple
day event, or workshop series? I wanted to know, in order to
get a sense of a positive and useful format
for DEEP, what have been some of your experiences, especially, as I think we're all aware
that we're constantly attending events lately virtually
. So what are the benefits and concerns of having either of these?
Any thoughts?
We're wondering if some of you have been to online conferences and can share your ideas of
what might work for DEEP?
» Can I say something? Can you hear me
? » Vera: Yeah.
» Ather: I'd like to suggest that we go back to the fore mat
we had before last year, which is to offer
concurrent sessions where you would have somebody facilitate
the session and have a discussion on various topics.
Case studies, lessons learned from those case studies
, such as smart cities and other things that
we've been working on. So I like the idea of having
concurrent sessions and I think that would be good. I like the idea of case
studies.
» Gloria: Thank you. Anybody? Is I think I have Clayton. I have Pin
a on TOHRU.
» P
ina: This is Pina. I like doing the workshop
. Ism that frequently when you do these one hour sessions, you're just getting to
the meat of the discussion or the work and or and then we have to drop off.
So I like what the recommendation that was made earlier about the
concurrent sessions, but I like also to have enough time
that it's more like a workshop that at the end of the workshop, there's
an outcome.
» Vera: Okay. So
Clayton, Judy, and Cheryl.
» Clayton: Yeah, this is Clayton. I've been involved in a couple of meetings that had
to go online, and
experience seems to be the traditional sessions, that kind of thing go very
well, but what people miss is the opportunity
for unscripted interaction outside that framework. So whatever the overall
format is, and perhaps this would
argue in favor of having something a little bit longer as opposed to shorter, some arrangement
that allows the attendees to interact
with other attendees informally, and the way it happens naturally
at in-person meetings I think would be a good thing
. And if you remember I think it would be done more inclusive than perhaps in-person
meetings ordinarily provide. There's more detail once you get into it, thinking
about possibilities there. But it could be good to provide some support for that
kind of less structured interaction
among participants.
» Vera: Judy?
» Judy: Yes. I'm in remote medium
and large format meetings much of my days and also with W
3C's experiments, one of the things that we've been trying to do,
we have to bridge most of the time zones in it the world, and so there's a
fairly small window where it's being extraordinarily unfair to some
people. So for, like, a large and formal meeting, we will do
multi day, but the active discussion period will only be 90 minutes
. For instance, the past two days that's what we've done. For the presentation materials, we
prerecorded everything, captione captioned, got it translated into multiple
languages, and gave people a substantial amount of time in advance, you know
, a week or more to review all the background materials so that
the actual intersecting meeting time was 100%
discussion. So we took advantage of that interaction
and it worked better than we had hoped. In addition, we had a flexible
period of before, for half hour before and half hour after. So according
to
time zones, people could start to get the experience of hallway interactions. We expect to use
breakout rooms, next version of this, so that people
ca can, with similar interests, go into different smaller group discussions
for more interactivity and we're also looking at
using a Zoom-based augmentative reality interface to
Virtual Reality for some shared maybe semi-recreational
experience to again leverage some of the informal activities, like
a happy hour or a trip to a historical
landmark or something so that people have an opportunity to really get that informal
interaction, like a cafe, because you get completely different things out
of that part of the meeting meetings.
» Gloria:
So you're already doing that or working towards that?
» Judy: The last part is in development. Everything else we've been doing and
documenting some of it, and I think some of our materials from our past,
from our just done event may end up publicly available. I'm
not sure. But our method is already available. We're happy
to share anything that you're interested in.
» Vera: Fabulous. Thank you, Judy. Cheryl and then Lori.
» Cheryl: So let's see. I added some
things for possible speakers
, Indigenous speakers from a variety of different areas. For myself as an Indigenous
person, that's usually going to be the draw for me to want to attend
anything. And I believe actually it's
important. It's probably more important for people to listen to a knowwledge
knowledge-keeper than to just you know the land
acknowledgment by heart, which is sort of how it's starting to
become.
I think also, because of our world view, we tend be to be listening. When somebody is
speaking like the last speaker, who's very knowledgeable, I could
actually listen for quite a while you know? And
we're not interrupting. We aren't blurting out and wanting
to interject and add ideas. So I like that format. I like
that whether there's a speaker and they're
sharing knowledge and we're really just listening
and soaking it in. That works for me
and anyone this reset that we're going through in the world right now, it's really important that we
listen to that knowledge that's there.
I've got more to say, but I'll stop there.
» Vera: Thank you, and I love that you're putting things in that collaborative document, so
thank you for tha that, Cheryl.
Lori? Hang on, you're
muted. We have to unmute you. I've having difficulty unmuting you
. Are you able to? There you go.
» Lori:
--
» Vera: Oh, no. It didn't go. Is it
too many hosts? Can't unmute?
» Gloria: Justin, are you there? Oh, there. Okay.
» Lori: It was on my end. Listening to everyone
, and I haven't been to DEEP the last few years, but was
there sometimes years ago.
And I guess I'll kind of end up with a
combination of all the ideas we've mentioned so far and thinking that the
workshop idea in a smaller group on a certain
topic would be useful. I think what would
help me is always having advance materials. So that would
help me get focused so that when we are together
and discussing, you know, ideas already and I've thought it through and things like
that, but then the idea of maybe taking
that and having a group work through it. So advance materials, have a workshop
group that spends a 90 minute suggestion or longer to work through
a topic, and then to use that one day
to share so that you're actually using all three components in a way, but
at the same time, I would say that, well, you would expect that we would all have lots of time
these days. We tend to be extremely busy. Recognizing that you
don't
want to draw it out too much, but again, as I think
Pina said, you want to come out with an outcome with some sort of
focused result and, like others, we're
saying you wanted to give people who don't want to jump in right away or are
in a big crowd the opportunity to share
and the 90 minute idea seemed like a good timeline as well. So kind of taking the
ideas that everybody else has mentioned and pulling it together
to one option
.
» Vera: Janet?
» Janet: Just
to add on, I'm new, so I'm assuming you already know everything I'm going
to say. I apologize if I'm just stating the obvious
. But I have a collaborated. I don't do anything
about anyone without them. Similar to what Pina
mentioned, just making sure that we're utilizing the real experts
when we are discussing information regarding FAS
D and
. I don't know if there's a way to showcase the people that
do the cell advocacy work for their own sort of needs in it the community
as well.
» Vera: That's something we're always endeavor to do and to try to do better and better every year. I think
that's a great thing to remind us, regardless of whether we know it or not. It's
a very important point. I think there's
no more hands up. But I did see that we kind of
managed to hit all three of those things. Right? Is so that was really nicely
done. Did you want me to go to the in text slide, Gloria? Or do you have more to
add mere? Ander glow we can move on.
» I think Judy wanted to say something.
» I don't know your name, but MCV
--
» Lori, thank you, the comments you were making, I want to just critique the model we were
using in one regard, which is we did a bit of post analysis and we
found that it seems like the people who are kind of
most established in their field of expertise were the ones who were confident speaking in this the format
I described and that people wh who -- there were many people that we did not hear from
, and so we've started
to explore like ice breaking techniques and stuff to get more equal
participation hopefully in it the future. But it has problems as well. Just wanted to be clear about
that.
» Gloria: Thank you.
» Vera: I see Pina has something to add, I think.
» Pina:
--
» Vera: I can't still can't hear you, Pina.
» Gloria: Justin let us know in the chat some we can
unout and others we ask to unmute. It might depend on personal settings
. » Vera: I see.
» Pina: Am I good? Actually,
thank you. to Judy's point about the
people whose voice you heard, I guess it's more of a question than anything else.
You know, even in this example where we're using multiple channels
to communicated and participate in this
session as an example, I think part of it is in regards to the topic,
but also part of it is also being attentive to the knowledge as to how the tools
are being used and who can use them. Because I know for
myself as a screen reader and someone who can
relate to this, you're shifting from screen to screen to screen all the time to try and touch
all the channels that people are using.
It could lead to that silence that you were referring to, Judy
.
» Gloria: Thank you, pina. So I'm just
goal to carry on with DEEP theme and topics. On this slide, we wanted to
bring up the conversations about the state of inclusion, which was the theme that we had for
last year. And some of these topics included informed consents in the age of
data signs, the future of work, the gig economy, and the digital
skills gap. Open education and inclusive
lifelong learning. And we came up with an ask, which is a projects to include an inclusive
data ecosystem. And there was quite a bits of pretty much all
of the topics that were addressed were my understanding at DEEP 2019 were really
touching on the artificial intelligence aspect, and the announcements of we
count was made, which is a projects funded by the accessible technology program
to help find solutions that help Canadians with disabilities overcome barriers
that come in the way of their full participation in the workplace. And with that
, said, these are just some of the selected ones
. There were several more. But I wanted to move forward
with themes for 2020.
Any thoughts to consider? We have some questions. What do
we want to focus on for DEEP 2020? What activities
can we engage in to further our cushions and wor work? And what can work well in it the
online format?
So I know we've addressed some of these, but please, I'm opening up to more
questions and feedback and to think about the theme, I'd like to get a sense of that from the
group.
Pina?
» Vera: We'll let you know when you're
unmuted, pina.
» Pina: Okay? » Vera: Yes.
» Pina: Okay. Cool. I'm just going to throw it out there as a start
of the conversation and hopefully everybody
will kick in. But thing that was mentioned earlier
in it the introduction was about transformation. How do we transform
from where we are from where we need to be. And I wonder if that could be sort of the
leading discussion or point.
Right?
» Vera: I like that.
» Vera: Lori and then Janet.
» Lori:
--
» Vera: It typically shows up in the bottom left. You got it.
» Lori: I thought gauze I didn't re-mute myself that you would be able to do
it.
» Vera: I didn't even try. Sorry.
» Lori: Next time we'll try that. This is more of a
current idea and I mean, maybe it will be ending soon. We can always hope
. But something that itch noticed in talking to a number of of people with disabilities recently
has been that the Covid experience has shown up all
of these new barriers for them and new gams. So things like not having
your assistive technology maybe for the work that's at home or not having the same applications,
things like, you know, personal support workers or delivery
people not being able to come right to your door or right into your home
. So there's a lot of new barriers that people are facing
.
I don't think anything that's really
solvable, but it is a struggle for some people right
now. Especially
people who have some perm support during the week.
Just share tha that.
» Vera: Janet?
» Janet: I like all of those ideas.
Everybody has been kind of affected by somebody finally, so maybe to be able to step
into some shoes of a difference perspective. So we really want to take advantage that have to
sort of spread the mindset that, you know, everyone has needs. Some
have more. We all need to adjust. And here is
really what we can do. And
my I'm going to go to the mental
health and that's kind of what I've been specializing in it, and I know that there's a massive lack in the
province that I'm in it of anyone who is specialized in it working with anyone with disability
, cognitive or their
mental health services. So there's a big gap in service providers
for those with disabilities that might need to transform. I like that
wor word, transform, for sure.
» Vera: I like that reset the mindset. I thought that was nice and catchy. I like the catchiness of that.
Thank you.
Now, Atherin, I see you posted in it the chat. Would you like
to talk about that or I just add it to the
document? You're
muted.
» Ather: Living with Covid-19
just presents, you know, great opportunities for our work, and I think that some of the areas
that we can look at is, you know,
gig economy and how learning disabilities are
being managed in our institutions and other examples that I've given. I think this is the time to think about
that and come up with some concrete
actionable items.
» Vera: Right. Thank you.
» Jutta: This is Jutta. If it I can quickly intersect. The sort
of notion of a new type of mindset
is very much linked to the actionable parts
. Certainly since the outbreak of the pandemic, we have been inundated
and just completely overwhelmed with requests for assistance in
changing ways of doing things and changing new
ways of or new ideas for how to do
things differently. Everything from the Bank of Canada asking for a
digital currency advice to
single identity management and single sign on systems that are more
accessible to broadcasters coming
to us asking about more inclusively
designed presentation of culture to the
list goes on and
on, including many individuals who are either front line
workers, so emergency management workers have been approaching
us. The paramedics have
been approaching us. So there are opportunities in each
of these to not just think
very practically and in the current momen moment, but also to think about,
to draw back and think about the
system as a whole. How do we make the entire system more inclusive and how do
all of these sort of tie together?
» Vera: Pina, do you want to add to that?
» Pina: to all of this conversation, I think it's great. I think the other thing that
I want to sort of defensor I mean, we hear a lot about how this
pandemic halls taught us new things, and in if some cases
, I have to disagree. It hasn't really taught us -- there are a lot of things
it hasn't taught us. What it has done is
it has increased the visibility
for some of the things, the barriers that exist, and some of the things that
we already had at our fingertips and did not take advantage of
. So I wonder if the conversation could be
maybe around in the acceleration of this change of mindset or the
acceleration of how we, you know, how we responded to this
because of, you know -- because I mean, access to assistive
technology has been around for a long time. In many cases, it's been the politics
, it's been in many cases in the policies that have
been barriers or attitudes. But the technology has been there, as an example. Right?
So I just -- I just think that it has really
increased the visibility of the barriers that
existed, and I think that it has also given us an opportunity to
see how responsive we can, in fact, be when
we have the right drivers
to be.
» Yeah. Good point.
» Gloria: So I do want to mention I think everybody has pretty
much touched on some of their topics, but I do want to mention that the Google Doc is looking very
good. And I want to open it up for more. If anybody would like to elaborate
more on some of the ideas they've put in that document, there were some that
I had previously added before the meeting from the survey questions that were asked
on registration. And if you would like to add
to them, please feel free. I know some of them
already have come up.
On the virtual social events.
» Vera: Did you want to review these now or did you want to come back to them if we have more time
? I can't remember the --
» Gloria: This is pretty much at the end. We are dedicating mostly to topics
and comments.
» Vera: Then go on. Sorry.
» Gloria: Yeah. We can go on.
» Vera: Do what you're doing, sorry.
» Pina: Vera, Gloria, for those of us
who can't edit the document, are you adding the comments we're making as well or is someone adding
it?
» Vera: Pina, when you have been speaking, I have put in pieces of what you've been saying. So I've
tried to sort of capture it from where it belongs, but you
find that you can't -- would you
be able to go into the Google Doc later when you don't have all the channels
open? And they're also recording so we can come back and grab ideas and put them
i in, because we're not getting all of them necessarily. So we hope to
compile all of them and also come up with a bit of a summary
or this document might end up being the summary once you've sort of sorted
and cleaned up and things like that. So it is being
captured one way or another, and you'll have opportunity to add after if you have time. And we certainly love all
of you to add ideas and thoughts, especially -- I'm a
bit curious myself about, you know, thinking
about new ways of engaging together in this kind of a format
or ways that are effective that would be interesting and
not just talk/listen, which has great value,
but I think it's nice when we have a variety of ways to go all together. That's an area I'm thinking
about and I'd love suggestions around that from people either here today or in the
document. Go back to you,
Gloria.
» Gloria: I'd like to keep it open if anybody has any comments
.
» Vera: There is a hand up.
» Gloria: Please. Go ahead. There's time.
» Jutta: One of the issues that I wanted to run by everyone, I was talking about being engaged
by many different groups, and one of the things
that emerged during Covid in it a much stronger way than ever
before is this notion of rationing and worthy
iness and whether it's equipment rationing or whether
it's determining who to risk
, and that certainly links into previous speakers that we've
had in it terms of the vulnerable adults or vulnerable
persons, Secretariat and Katharine
frizzy and back when we were looking at the legislation around
medically assistive [Indiscernible] and the we do valuing of people with disabilities --
devaluing of people with disabilities. There is a lot of
conversation going on right now with respect
to this, given the pandemic and the future waves of pandemic, and I wonder
if this is a topic that is of interest to people? Because
we're certainly embroiled right now in quite a number of
debates. I've
been on
pan Canadian committees that are
looking at policies, but also international and provincial
committees. My role there is largely, how do we make the
communication accessible, but of course, the ethical
and perform issues that come up with quite scary and there
needs to be advocacy related to this. We already have quite a
long slate of topics here and perhaps
we can take the opportunity to have more topics
than we would usually be able to fit into one or two days in it this
online format. I
will paste into the chat something I wrote in response to some of that that sort of gives
you some sense of -- it touches on the mindset,
but also the issues that have come up in these
conversations.
» Vera: Susan, I think you also wanted to speak?
» Susan: Yes, sorry. I'm having trouble with
the hand raising tool. And I had to step away for a second. I can't
see the Google Doc. One of the things that comes up with the changing
of society was chaos and those types
of things is the opportunity for brief accessibility
. And I don't know if it's covered already. But we want to look at how we can sustain the efforts
that have been made to make remote work accessible
and shift so that it continued, even after it's not required
because of the virus.
The other piece that I wanted to state was that I worked on
large groups and breaking
into small sessions in Zoom rooms with assigned tasks and leaders seems to provide
an opportunity for those who
don't speak often to speak up. And it's a little less forced than
some just, you know, groundbreaking types of activities
. So that may be something to consider, as we have a
workshop or a theme to break out into smaller groups for discussion using
the Zoom rooms or something similar
.
» Vera: Right. I recorded your suggestions, but please go to the Google Doc when you're
able to and check it out.
Cheryl, I think you're next. Cheryl?
» Cheryl: Yeah. Something I forgot to say last time I spoke
. When you were asking about experience in conference
s and online, so my PhD
meets every two weeks, and I actually prefer that way better than our older
format of having a conference or having a seminar where it's
five long days of presentations. And I really am appreciating the fact that I've got
a schedule now where I can say that, you know, for this hour,
for this two hours on this week that I'm doing
this thing and there ising a lot of talk about the preparation in advance, things that you would
create, how you'd be prepared.
So I find that to be really a useful formats. And the other
thing in this sort of current discussion that we're talking about, I think many
years ago at DEEP, Sheila carbo carbondale, I think it was at DEEP
, presented and talked about data barons versus data
surfs. So I think really it would be good to have some consideration
of who are the data surfs right now in online remote learning
? The urban Core? The remote Indigenous
and rural students.
Even to be able to be on a Zoom chat. I think that would
be really important to make sure that we
have that glaring, obvious hole that's happening where the -- you know be there's
a large surfdom being created.
» Vera: All right. We'll look at that one, very nic nice. Pina, you wanted
to adding some?
» Pina: Well, yes. Just a little point that was made
regarding whether having con
consecutive days or not. I think one of the things I want to make note of
is last year we had introduced a notion of having follow-up
sessions throughout the year. Right? You could keep people engaged,
to sort of get people
talking throughout the year so that we can
then this these conferences give a synopsis, anything out where we're going from there
. And I really -- and we did not deliver on that. So I'm
just trying to make sure that, you know, if we choose to, and
I was going to talk about it later, but now that it was brought up or not
, so if we choose to do this kind of sort of delivery
throughout the year
we want to make sure we have a fixed schedule, a fixed agenda so people can,
to the point that was made earlier, people actually know, because I think it's
important that we create that continuum.
» Well, pina, you will be happy to know we're actually working on the digging deeper schedule
right now. We've got a few invitations for certain speakers
that we're just waiting to hear from, but we've got some other things that we've got
in mind so that we can get started, and the plan just got a little bit
derailed. About four months ago. And so, you know, we're just rethinking how the digging
deeper and events occur. And digging deeper
is going to be sort of intertwined with we count, just like dep
2020 was intertwined with some of the previous topics of we count. And
so we're getting a bit excited about what we're thinking of. So hopefully we'll
have that to share within the coming months.
» Gloria: If there are no questions, we can mover on to the next slide and you've pretty much covered
one of those points already, Vera, about the bigging DEEP
er.
» Vera: You know, it was a great segway. Like I sai said, we're excited about it.
» Gloria: Yeah. So just to make a mention, after today's meeting, we
will be creating an e-mail to follow with a summary
. This can also be distributed to other participants that maybe couldn't join us or had to leave early. We hope that
that's going to help, you know, capture all the points that were made today. And
I also want to make a mention, it's not up on the slide, but I want to make
a mention that the Google document will remain live for
everybody to continued contributing after today, and we will make a note at the top
of the document when it's no longer being -- when we're no
longer taking in more comments. So it will just indicate at the top
that the document is now closed. But Vera, I think we
discussed it could be available to edit for the next couple of weeks
.
» Vera: Uh-huh, for sure.
» Gloria: Yeah.
» Vera: For as long as it takes us to distill all of these grade ideas.
And so please do check in as inspirations hits. And if
you have an idea, and we've sort of
indicated that we're not looking at that document anymor anymore, because we've sort of
distilled it somewhere else, we would still wanted you to -- we'll have a way to
contact us directly so you can share or perhaps it will be a
new collaboration.
» Pina: 1 of the things we didn't cover
» A lot of presentations that we had were, as
you sai said. The projects we're doing as far as support, so
when you're trying to invite private sector, for example,
some of that stuff may not be
so relevant to them. I think it's important for us to actually think about
who is our audienc audience. Do we want researchers? Do we want a
sense with professionals?
How do we want it?
» Jutta: The point of DEEP is we want a diversity of perspectives, and
specifically we're going to forefront the foreground of people that are going to be most impacted by
the decision, sort of the designs that we have. So in response
to your question, pina, I think the idea
is that in order to achieve some of the systemic
changes that we want to achieve, we need
everyone that is impacted by it, and so
that means diversity and it may be that we
need to then also balance the contented or the way that we presented or the way that people
can participate so that we're not leaving people out.
We're also doing things in a way that people are not used to.
We don't have introductions. We don't
have -- we try to communicate the fact that
we expect -- that lived experience is just as valuable as
perhaps academic
experience. And you know the drill.
.
» No, I know. And it does touch on, quote/unquote, that engagement
. How do we want to engage more broadly? More inclusion
ism? Because in reality, a lot of these things touch people differently.
Some more than others. Right? And so it's really more of a question. And
we need different partners at the table at different times. And so
that's really what I wanted to try for us to
think about as we're sort of developing, you know, the topics
and the Ads. We're trying to have these topics and then want to reach out to people
to participate.
» Jutta: Yeah. And perhaps what we can foreground it is more of an
introduction of what to expect. This isn't the standard conference of it's definitely academic.
It's also not like [Indiscernible] or other
accessibility events
. Et cetera. Al here is a conference
where we are going to
be looking at gaps, unsolved issues, an
and the people that are missing from the conversations.
» And those people can come in in
just a specific workshop or specific section or the entire conference itself
itself.
» We'd love to hearing suggestions as to how we can continuous I
didn't add to a better job of missing and perspectives that are missing
.
» Janet: I'm a vision. That's why I look off when I'm
talking, because I picture different
sort of themes where that's going to be sort of you're welcome to everything, but if
you want to go deeper into, you know, the front line healthcare
workers and those professions or if you're an educator specifically, yeah, I think it's totally
doable to sort of have theme days. Overlap between all of
this.
Wow.
Resource ideas, I did receive a couple of e-mails just
before the meeting from participants that couldn't attend last minute, but they shared a
few different details that they wanted to contract. So please feel free
to e-mail me personally at G Bernal
Gomez at OCAD U dot YA and also I monitor the IDRC e-mail account, so you
can just, for the shake of making it a lot simpler, IDRC at
OCAD CA.
. And if you so much, everyone, for joining us. I will stay on the call for a few
more minutes to make sure that there's no more questions
and anybody wants to add anything, but thank
you again for joining us today and we'll keep you posted on upcoming events
.
» You were suggesting that you might have something to add, but weren't sure whether you could
add it. If you want to take
this time, there are still people here.
» Yes, there are still people. There's still quite a number of people
here.
» Did you hear someone raise your hand?
» It was Paulo.
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