WEBVTT 00:00:04.417 --> 00:00:08.316 next slide. 00:00:08.316 --> 00:00:12.317 » Vera: We're recording. 00:00:12.317 --> 00:00:17.766 » Gloria: Just wanted to be clear that for the use, this video 00:00:17.766 --> 00:00:23.066 will be recorded, but for the use for the deep organizing 00:00:23.066 --> 00:00:28.316 committee. Let them though if anybody is not okay with the session being recorded. Now is a good 00:00:28.316 --> 00:00:35.817 time. 00:00:35.817 --> 00:00:46.868 So Justin, if you could please start recording. 00:00:46.868 --> 00:00:51.066 So thank you, everyone, for joining us today. For those of 00:00:51.066 --> 00:00:55.367 you that are in Canada, I hope you had a nice long weekend. I know I 00:00:55.367 --> 00:00:59.567 sure did take some time to rest. I hope you're all 00:00:59.567 --> 00:01:04.066 doing well. Today we're going to be meeting 00:01:04.066 --> 00:01:08.115 for the vision for D DEEP2020. What would you like DE 00:01:08.115 --> 00:01:12.567 EP to be. We are part of the inclusive design research center 00:01:12.567 --> 00:01:18.368 at OCAD University, and I know upon registration 00:01:18.368 --> 00:01:22.815 we had some participants that indicated that they have never attended a D 00:01:22.815 --> 00:01:27.316 EEP before, so I want to welcome you as well especially. We hope 00:01:27.316 --> 00:01:31.855 that today's session will be productive and collaborative 00:01:31.855 --> 00:01:34.316 . I want to introduce myself briefly. My name is Gloria Bernal and I'm 00:01:34.316 --> 00:01:38.367 the Assistant at the inclusive design research 00:01:38.367 --> 00:01:42.866 center. I also joined the DEEP team 00:01:42.866 --> 00:01:47.065 last year to assist with the logistics, and we also have 00:01:47.065 --> 00:01:51.317 members of the committee here, so again, Vera Roberts 00:01:51.317 --> 00:01:56.817 and David Pe deda, and the director 00:01:56.817 --> 00:02:01.118 , Trevor Hannon. And we are going to start. I will move on to the agenda 00:02:01.118 --> 00:02:05.166 , but first of all, I just want to let 00:02:05.166 --> 00:02:09.315 you know this meeting is with the expectation that D DEEP2020 is going to be 00:02:09.315 --> 00:02:13.167 an online he spent this year. So to deep in that in mind for the rest of the 00:02:13.167 --> 00:02:17.215 meeting. Thank yo you. Okay. 00:02:17.215 --> 00:02:22.118 So the agenda. 00:02:22.118 --> 00:02:26.366 We have the first part, which we'll cover some meeting guidelines 00:02:26.366 --> 00:02:30.566 for participation, and as we have been sharing the links, if anybody needs these links again, we'll just 00:02:30.566 --> 00:02:34.816 share them on the chat. Then we'll move on to the second part, which is the 00:02:34.816 --> 00:02:39.617 overview of DEEP. The third will be the DEEP 00:02:39.617 --> 00:02:44.066 format: Thoughts and questions. Now, I've assigned some time for each of 00:02:44.066 --> 00:02:48.366 these category in order to just stay on track, but of course this is flexible 00:02:48.366 --> 00:02:53.616 . And then we'll be moving on from DEEP format to DEEP 00:02:53.616 --> 00:02:58.116 theme and topics. And then at the last part of this agenda, we'll be 00:02:58.116 --> 00:03:02.368 doing wrap-up and next steps. Okay? 00:03:02.368 --> 00:03:06.866 Now moving on to the guidelines. Just to give you a brief idea. So 00:03:06.866 --> 00:03:12.566 this presentation is really just -- these slides will just be a way 00:03:12.566 --> 00:03:16.916 to guide us through all the questions that you have and points that we'd like to make 00:03:16.916 --> 00:03:21.065 . Besides those slides, we have a participation link, so we have our 00:03:21.065 --> 00:03:25.367 live Google document that is also available in the chat for accessing the link if 00:03:25.367 --> 00:03:29.868 you're not already there. And then we also have 00:03:29.868 --> 00:03:34.115 the trace online hand raising utility. So TOHRU. For those of you who are wondering why 00:03:34.115 --> 00:03:38.816 we're using this, as I've mentioned earlier, it's really to make 00:03:38.816 --> 00:03:43.415 sure that because we have a large group meeting today, we want to make 00:03:43.415 --> 00:03:47.616 sure we have a queue in place, and this will allow Vera and David, 00:03:47.616 --> 00:03:51.817 who are helping me monitor, open up the floor to 00:03:51.817 --> 00:03:54.917 participants to have their say. We also have the Zoom chat and the hand raising function 00:03:54.917 --> 00:03:58.867 if you prefer to use those. 00:03:58.867 --> 00:04:04.918 So for the hand raising utility, 00:04:04.918 --> 00:04:09.116 we have -- so where it asks for the meeting ID to be put in. It's 00:04:09.116 --> 00:04:13.367 DE EP2020, and then 00:04:13.367 --> 00:04:17.666 you'll be prompted to put in your name. So please type in your name as 00:04:17.666 --> 00:04:21.916 you wish for it to appear, and 00:04:21.916 --> 00:04:25.918 then select enter as participant. 00:04:25.918 --> 00:04:30.367 So once you are in hand raising utility and you've logged in, I'm just going to read what's 00:04:30.367 --> 00:04:35.367 on the slide. The TOHRU tool will allow you 00:04:35.367 --> 00:04:39.616 to raise and lower our hand or indicate if you would like to comment on a current topic 00:04:39.616 --> 00:04:43.667 or start a new one. We'll be using this to manage 00:04:43.667 --> 00:04:48.866 the discussion, and I just want to point out once you're here and if you're using 00:04:48.866 --> 00:04:53.667 TOHRU, there's a little option at the bottom of your selection that says optional reminder 00:04:53.667 --> 00:04:58.167 or hin hint, so we don't know how many people are 00:04:58.167 --> 00:05:03.216 going to be queuing up, but I find this a very helpful tool if you would like to put in a 00:05:03.216 --> 00:05:05.416 little comment for yourself in case you're waiting for your turn. It's just a nice little option 00:05:05.416 --> 00:05:09.467 to have. 00:05:09.467 --> 00:05:10.367 » Vera: Tina, did you have a question or were you testing the 00:05:10.367 --> 00:05:13.117 hand raise? 00:05:13.117 --> 00:05:17.167 » Gloria: You're on mute. Sorry, Tina. 00:05:17.167 --> 00:05:21.366 » Tina: I have a question. So I was 00:05:21.366 --> 00:05:26.716 just testing how this was working, trying to follow 00:05:26.716 --> 00:05:30.868 what you were saying, so I'm good. 00:05:30.868 --> 00:05:35.115 » Vera: Pina, you were using the hand raising tool in Zoom, which 00:05:35.115 --> 00:05:39.666 works fine. Alternatively, you can open up the TOHR 00:05:39.666 --> 00:05:42.117 U hand rising tool in the separate window and use it as well. Someone else had a 00:05:42.117 --> 00:05:44.666 question I heard. 00:05:44.666 --> 00:05:48.667 » Cheryl. 00:05:48.667 --> 00:05:52.918 » Hi, Cheryl. I didn't get the UR 00:05:52.918 --> 00:05:53.617 L for the TOHRU. If there's some way to get that 00:05:53.617 --> 00:05:57.667 again. 00:05:57.667 --> 00:06:02.917 » Gloria: Yeah. We can just share it again onto 00:06:02.917 --> 00:06:14.167 the chat. 00:06:14.167 --> 00:06:15.967 It's there, hand raising utility 00:06:15.967 --> 00:06:19.968 . 00:06:19.968 --> 00:06:22.216 » Cheryl: I'm going to take a screen shot. Hold on. There. Okay. Thanks. Thank you 00:06:22.216 --> 00:06:26.217 very much. » Vera: No problem. 00:06:26.217 --> 00:06:31.216 » Gloria: Okay. So we are now going to be moving on to our next 00:06:31.216 --> 00:06:35.717 slide. This is to recover just the deep conference overview before 00:06:35.717 --> 00:06:40.517 we dive into 2019 and 2020. I just wanted 00:06:40.517 --> 00:06:45.216 to mention DEEP began in 2012 and we are now moving into the preparations for our 00:06:45.216 --> 00:06:49.415 ninth annual event. DEEP does welcome the insights 00:06:49.415 --> 00:06:55.016 of participants who may be left out, but profoundly affected by decision 00:06:55.016 --> 00:06:59.217 . So it is collaboration that take place at 00:06:59.217 --> 00:07:03.217 cross-section terms. For example, technology, education, government, science, and research, to name 00:07:03.217 --> 00:07:03.766 a few, and now I'm just going to go over with what's on our slide 00:07:03.766 --> 00:07:07.717 . 00:07:07.717 --> 00:07:10.017 So goals and objectives for today are to engaging in meaningful 00:07:10.017 --> 00:07:11.717 -- not just for today. 00:07:11.717 --> 00:07:15.766 » Vera: Today is well perhaps. 00:07:15.766 --> 00:07:19.966 » Gloria: But this is for DEEP. If you. So it will be to engage in a meaning 00:07:19.966 --> 00:07:24.217 ful debate to access multiple perspectives, to be collaborative 00:07:24.217 --> 00:07:28.716 and interactive, to promote the goal of 00:07:28.716 --> 00:07:33.467 inclusive participation, to have a diverse audience 00:07:33.467 --> 00:07:37.966 and panel, to address challenges and share information 00:07:37.966 --> 00:07:42.018 and innovative strategies. 00:07:42.018 --> 00:07:46.268 Moving on to DEEP 00:07:46.268 --> 00:07:50.567 2020 vision meeting. So now that you have an idea of what DEEP stands for and what our goals are, 00:07:50.567 --> 00:07:55.015 I also want to ensure we keep our meeting focused as we are 00:07:55.015 --> 00:08:01.216 limited with time. So our goals for this meeting really are 00:08:01.216 --> 00:08:05.467 to be able to identify a theme, to learn topics that are of interest to you 00:08:05.467 --> 00:08:10.766 , to anticipate and plan for challenges, and 00:08:10.766 --> 00:08:14.969 to discover opportunities. And at this point, I want to remind everybody that you are going to have access or 00:08:14.969 --> 00:08:19.016 that you've been given access to a Google document that's live right 00:08:19.016 --> 00:08:23.768 now. The shorthand url is there on the slide, but 00:08:23.768 --> 00:08:28.766 if you haven't already logged into that, and then once again 00:08:28.766 --> 00:08:33.266 , just to keep in mind that we are 00:08:33.266 --> 00:08:37.517 going to be having to meet on an online format, 00:08:37.517 --> 00:08:40.716 so your contributions today will help us plan what DNA would look like, what it would be like, and hopefully 00:08:40.716 --> 00:08:44.766 , yeah, we'll move on. 00:08:44.766 --> 00:08:48.818 So for DNA 2019 format, 00:08:48.818 --> 00:08:53.015 I wanted to provide a general overview. I know some of you were in attendance 00:08:53.015 --> 00:08:57.265 . Others were in attendance in previous years, but 2019 was slightly different 00:08:57.265 --> 00:09:02.766 , because we were in a new venue, which was the Cooper coup 00:09:02.766 --> 00:09:07.018 family YMCA. It was also a one day event that 00:09:07.018 --> 00:09:11.266 cooperate in one room. It had a capacity of 00:09:11.266 --> 00:09:15.266 80 people, so this was also considered a limitation, but now that we'll be considering online 00:09:15.266 --> 00:09:21.320 , that's something we'll be able to address. 00:09:21.320 --> 00:09:25.516 It was also -- the format also included round tables with panel members 00:09:25.516 --> 00:09:29.815 , and these happened, these took place during the reception 00:09:29.815 --> 00:09:31.266 , so we always have to have a social aspect around DEEP 00:09:31.266 --> 00:09:35.317 and this was one of them. 00:09:35.317 --> 00:09:39.566 Last week, we had no blackout section. So some of 00:09:39.566 --> 00:09:44.816 you, because DEEP 2019 was my first year attending 00:09:44.816 --> 00:09:50.066 , I don't have direct experience with how the format was managed at OCAD University 00:09:50.066 --> 00:09:55.065 campus when different rooms were available for breakou breakout sessions, but 00:09:55.065 --> 00:09:59.116 this is what made DEEP 2019 standout a little bit differently. 00:09:59.116 --> 00:10:04.867 And now just before I move on to 00:10:04.867 --> 00:10:09.066 diving into the DEEP 2020 format, I just wanted to open it up to Uta, who might want to 00:10:09.066 --> 00:10:10.366 speak about how we responded to the community following 00:10:10.366 --> 00:10:14.316 DEEP 2019. 00:10:14.316 --> 00:10:18.567 » Jutta: Sure. Gloria, 00:10:18.567 --> 00:10:22.815 I won't be take too much tim time, but I definitely addressed 00:10:22.815 --> 00:10:27.067 a lot of the great input that we had and discussions that we had 00:10:27.067 --> 00:10:36.317 from the working groups that met 00:10:36.317 --> 00:10:41.567 tables during deep. If you recall, the teams included accessible smart cities. 00:10:41.567 --> 00:10:45.816 They included gig economies and issues 00:10:45.816 --> 00:10:50.316 with workers within the 00:10:50.316 --> 00:10:55.817 gig economy. They also included education and the transformation of education 00:10:55.817 --> 00:11:02.167 , as well as the overall theme of 00:11:02.167 --> 00:11:06.616 way counts, disability and data science or equitable treatment of minorities and 00:11:06.616 --> 00:11:10.815 outliers in data science. And a subtheme within that was privacy and 00:11:10.815 --> 00:11:13.866 the issue of how to avoid data abuse 00:11:13.866 --> 00:11:17.867 and misuse. 00:11:17.867 --> 00:11:22.568 And so since DEEP, we have pursued projects in it each of 00:11:22.568 --> 00:11:27.369 those areas that are addressing the various challenges 00:11:27.369 --> 00:11:31.366 . Projects we count is not actually 00:11:31.366 --> 00:11:35.917 a full year, but according to the government it's calendar year and 00:11:35.917 --> 00:11:40.066 we submitted a report. But what we've 00:11:40.066 --> 00:11:44.617 done within that project is 00:11:44.617 --> 00:11:48.866 cover two areas, the area of ethical A 00:11:48.866 --> 00:11:53.616 I and the area of smart 00:11:53.616 --> 00:12:00.117 cities and smart communities in that we engaged with the waterfront 00:12:00.117 --> 00:12:05.117 Toronto project that was proposed 00:12:05.117 --> 00:12:11.165 by Sidewalk Labs, which has recently been canceled, but which luckily 00:12:11.165 --> 00:12:15.366 what has happened through that is that the new RFP, which will be 00:12:15.366 --> 00:12:21.367 going out, will be forefronting the ethical issues 00:12:21.367 --> 00:12:26.267 that we revealed in our guidelines. And so both 00:12:26.267 --> 00:12:31.166 of our contributions that we made to that, there's 00:12:31.166 --> 00:12:36.367 two documents, will lead the guidelines that go into the next RFP 00:12:36.367 --> 00:12:40.666 . So waterfront Toronto is moving forward with 00:12:40.666 --> 00:12:45.717 the project, but it will issue a new RFP, and so 00:12:45.717 --> 00:12:48.420 accessibility won't be sort of an afterthought. It will be 00:12:48.420 --> 00:12:52.466 -- inclusion itch design won't be an 00:12:52.466 --> 00:12:56.466 afterthought. It will be right at this beginning and in the requirements. 00:12:56.466 --> 00:13:00.667 We also applied for a 00:13:00.667 --> 00:13:05.216 future work proposal to add guidelines 00:13:05.216 --> 00:13:09.216 and standards or to address gaps in standards for 00:13:09.216 --> 00:13:13.967 future of work and disability for the accessible Canada 00:13:13.967 --> 00:13:19.216 act. And one of the areas that we will be working 00:13:19.216 --> 00:13:24.467 on is what does that mean to have an accessible data science, not 00:13:24.467 --> 00:13:29.767 just from the perspective of having access to data 00:13:29.767 --> 00:13:31.966 science, but also participating in the creation 00:13:31.966 --> 00:13:35.917 of various outcomes of data science. 00:13:35.917 --> 00:13:42.017 We continues to work with 00:13:42.017 --> 00:13:48.718 the Hewlett foundation on our 00:13:48.718 --> 00:13:53.718 flow project with partnership in cast and the U.S. Department of Education in personalized learning, and one of the 00:13:53.718 --> 00:13:58.767 things that we're exploring right now is how do we significantly 00:13:58.767 --> 00:14:03.966 transform learning? And we hope 00:14:03.966 --> 00:14:08.215 to explore the theme of how do we use this disruption in school to address 00:14:08.215 --> 00:14:13.966 many of the barriers to transformation that occurred 00:14:13.966 --> 00:14:18.217 before where people are very much used to a particular routine 00:14:18.217 --> 00:14:25.416 and it's difficult to 00:14:25.416 --> 00:14:29.765 change many structures there to make it more inclusive. We're looking at how do 00:14:29.765 --> 00:14:34.015 we use this disruption in school to rethink learning and at a much deeper level than 00:14:34.015 --> 00:14:38.466 simply whether the classroom activities are in class or out of class 00:14:38.466 --> 00:14:42.466 ? Both for K to 12 and for post-secondary. 00:14:42.466 --> 00:14:48.217 And then we are also working 00:14:48.217 --> 00:14:54.766 with cooperated tiff movements, including a number of 00:14:54.766 --> 00:14:58.967 co-op ventures to specifically work on care and the provision 00:14:58.967 --> 00:15:04.067 of care and 00:15:04.067 --> 00:15:08.716 gig economy workers, front line workers on more ethical 00:15:08.716 --> 00:15:13.067 care. 00:15:13.067 --> 00:15:17.316 Work with benefits and social safety 00:15:17.316 --> 00:15:23.317 nets, et cetera, and appropriate rewards noted work done. And then one last thing I'll 00:15:23.317 --> 00:15:27.817 mention is we have a partnership where the 00:15:27.817 --> 00:15:34.017 tribal colleges in the U.S. where we are 00:15:34.017 --> 00:15:38.266 looking at deconstructing textbooks and adding Indigenous perspectives. And 00:15:38.266 --> 00:15:42.766 that's taking us into not just adding Indigenous perspectives 00:15:42.766 --> 00:15:47.317 to textbooks, but looking at multi perspective 00:15:47.317 --> 00:15:51.517 text beings boo. How do you tell more than a single perspective on 00:15:51.517 --> 00:16:03.768 truth or different ways of knowing something? 00:16:03.768 --> 00:16:08.516 These Indigenous perspectives are being added 00:16:08.516 --> 00:16:13.017 by 20 different 00:16:13.017 --> 00:16:17.217 communities represented by the tribal colleges, students as well as the knowledge keepers within the communities and 00:16:17.217 --> 00:16:25.317 the faculties 00:16:25.317 --> 00:16:29.266 within those areas. One of the themes within that is also the value 00:16:29.266 --> 00:16:39.720 systems related to environmental studies 00:16:39.720 --> 00:16:44.015 , STEM languages, endangered languages, and how 00:16:44.015 --> 00:16:49.015 to treat various members within the community in terms of social science. There's a 00:16:49.015 --> 00:16:54.067 social science 00:16:54.067 --> 00:16:58.367 whoaments to it. That's a quick run down or summary. I won't be take any more time. I'd love 00:16:58.367 --> 00:17:03.367 to take any questions that you have. 00:17:03.367 --> 00:17:07.317 He 00:17:07.317 --> 00:17:11.316 » Gloria: Thank you. Some of the things you pointed out I think will come up later in the 00:17:11.316 --> 00:17:16.816 topic section. There seems to be overlap. Some of the participants and the ideas they've 00:17:16.816 --> 00:17:21.266 contributed, I feel like that would be a good time to open it up to more questions. 00:17:21.266 --> 00:17:27.866 So 00:17:27.866 --> 00:17:28.966 in his anybody have questions regarding that 00:17:28.966 --> 00:17:31.267 ? 00:17:31.267 --> 00:17:35.367 » Vera: Pina indicated they would like to answer. 00:17:35.367 --> 00:17:40.567 » Pina: Go ahead. 00:17:40.567 --> 00:17:44.816 I think, Pina, you're 00:17:44.816 --> 00:17:58.317 on mute. 00:17:58.317 --> 00:18:04.616 P Pina, still can't hear you. I think you're going to have to 00:18:04.616 --> 00:18:18.816 unmute yourself. 00:18:18.816 --> 00:18:21.366 » Pina, are you able to type your 00:18:21.366 --> 00:18:25.368 question? 00:18:25.368 --> 00:18:30.366 » Pina: Can you hear me now? Oh 00:18:30.366 --> 00:18:34.567 , yah. Jutta, thank you very much for the 00:18:34.567 --> 00:18:38.866 exhaustive list really. On the education one that you're talking 00:18:38.866 --> 00:18:43.116 about, restructuring how education 00:18:43.116 --> 00:18:47.067 is going to be, particularly 00:18:47.067 --> 00:18:52.317 when we talk about education 00:18:52.317 --> 00:18:56.272 for children with disabilities 00:18:56.272 --> 00:19:02.415 , children who are on the spectrum, children who potentially 00:19:02.415 --> 00:19:08.317 require a combination of modalities. Is that something that's going to be part and parcel of 00:19:08.317 --> 00:19:16.516 that? 00:19:16.516 --> 00:19:19.566 » Jutta: Definitely. Some of the transformations 00:19:19.566 --> 00:19:24.066 that are being considered to address that include how do we take advantage of 00:19:24.066 --> 00:19:28.318 multigenerational learning? How do we address 00:19:28.318 --> 00:19:32.816 things like more collaborative learning? Problem project based 00:19:32.816 --> 00:19:37.116 learning? And those are some of the themes, 00:19:37.116 --> 00:19:42.817 yes, but definitely creating 00:19:42.817 --> 00:19:47.466 a community of you is 00:19:47.466 --> 00:19:51.617 port for children who may be excluded and 00:19:51.617 --> 00:19:55.815 also all of the -- into whether or not it's online and whether 00:19:55.815 --> 00:20:00.116 we move toward more hybrid learning, how do we address some of the 00:20:00.116 --> 00:20:05.616 barriers that are experienced by kids who have digital barriers, cognitive 00:20:05.616 --> 00:20:09.617 barriers to the new forms of 00:20:09.617 --> 00:20:16.415 participation? The going back to normal is something that I think not very 00:20:16.415 --> 00:20:19.616 many people anticipate will happen, and many people feel it's not, in fact, 00:20:19.616 --> 00:20:23.867 a desired outcome. So how do we 00:20:23.867 --> 00:20:29.366 use this particular disruption to see 00:20:29.366 --> 00:20:32.116 whether you can explore things that are forms of education that are more inclusive 00:20:32.116 --> 00:20:36.116 ? 00:20:36.116 --> 00:20:40.366 » Pi -- Pina 00:20:40.366 --> 00:20:44.616 : Yes, thank you. There's a new normal. I really feel that during this 00:20:44.616 --> 00:20:52.417 Covid situation, that pandemic situation 00:20:52.417 --> 00:20:56.916 more and more children who need that extra support have been left behind. 00:20:56.916 --> 00:20:57.416 So thank you for helping us understand how we're going to address that 00:20:57.416 --> 00:21:01.468 . 00:21:01.468 --> 00:21:05.717 » Jutta: Yeah. And I think the whole question of what is behind. 00:21:05.717 --> 00:21:09.867 So is this a single path towards 00:21:09.867 --> 00:21:14.367 a common goal or what does behind mean? Is it better to 00:21:14.367 --> 00:21:19.167 think about differentiation of education at this 00:21:19.167 --> 00:21:28.716 point? 00:21:28.716 --> 00:21:32.667 What does assessment me. 00:21:32.667 --> 00:21:36.867 » Well, Pina: What does success mean in school. How did we 00:21:36.867 --> 00:21:42.617 look at it differently? [Indiscernible] as well for 00:21:42.617 --> 00:21:48.417 sure. 00:21:48.417 --> 00:21:52.467 » Janet greener has a question. 00:21:52.467 --> 00:21:56.917 » Janet: I wanted to connect on the last comments there that was said 00:21:56.917 --> 00:22:02.667 . That success, the current successful method 00:22:02.667 --> 00:22:06.916 , what I've learned during Covid is a lot of methods are already existing 00:22:06.916 --> 00:22:11.215 , as we all know aren't necessarily successful and that's something we may not 00:22:11.215 --> 00:22:15.717 translate into real life and something our parents and families can embrace 00:22:15.717 --> 00:22:20.166 themselves. So a real big overhaul of what is currently being 00:22:20.166 --> 00:22:24.716 done and how it can be improved and sort of not necessarily generalized, but definitely 00:22:24.716 --> 00:22:28.967 translated over the varying different life 00:22:28.967 --> 00:22:33.116 transitions that people go through. A lot of my elementary kiddos, the 00:22:33.116 --> 00:22:38.417 strategies that they use at school may work in that school setting, but they 00:22:38.417 --> 00:22:42.616 really don't work necessarily in any other setting 00:22:42.616 --> 00:22:45.167 , nor are parents necessarily able to utilize them themselves. Does that make 00:22:45.167 --> 00:22:49.217 sense? 00:22:49.217 --> 00:22:53.366 » Pi in ta: It does to me, and it does touch on things that 00:22:53.366 --> 00:22:55.367 I was thinking of as we delved into this topic 00:22:55.367 --> 00:22:56.667 . 00:22:56.667 --> 00:23:00.667 » Vera: Judy Brewer would like to speak. 00:23:00.667 --> 00:23:05.417 » Judy Brewer: Hi there. Am I coming through? 00:23:05.417 --> 00:23:10.217 Grea Great. Yeah. I'm very interested in this topic 00:23:10.217 --> 00:23:15.165 as well and we've got some activities going in the web 00:23:15.165 --> 00:23:19.668 accessibility con sorum related to this. I'm saying this, 00:23:19.668 --> 00:23:23.968 because I would love to get additional inputs 00:23:23.968 --> 00:23:28.117 and collaborate with people and to, if possible, help serve as a forum to capture certain 00:23:28.117 --> 00:23:32.416 issues. And where possible, not only get built 00:23:32.416 --> 00:23:36.917 into best practices, but also potentially guidelines in the future 00:23:36.917 --> 00:23:41.016 . We started also thinking that this was 00:23:41.016 --> 00:23:46.167 a fairly limited 00:23:46.167 --> 00:23:50.916 need where there would be some things we could highlight. Best freeze a shorted period of time with accessible 00:23:50.916 --> 00:23:55.115 remote meetings, for instance, and then it became clear that it's everything 00:23:55.115 --> 00:24:00.417 . It's temperature I work. It's telehealth. It's remote 00:24:00.417 --> 00:24:10.167 education 00:24:10.167 --> 00:24:14.415 and existing accessibility guidelines, one thing we're doing is highlighting some of 00:24:14.415 --> 00:24:18.767 what may already apply. People having that available, and 00:24:18.767 --> 00:24:20.667 then also, we expect that we're 00:24:20.667 --> 00:24:24.717 identifying gaps in the guidance 00:24:24.717 --> 00:24:28.917 that's out there, and also just different 00:24:28.917 --> 00:24:33.417 levels, a platform level, the standard 00:24:33.417 --> 00:24:38.667 level, the poster participant, post best practices 00:24:38.667 --> 00:24:44.466 survival, participant survival techniques, stuff like that. I hope in it the next week or 2 to circulate 00:24:44.466 --> 00:24:48.717 around links and the last comment is W2 C has been trying 00:24:48.717 --> 00:24:55.167 to define an accessible continuity of 00:24:55.167 --> 00:25:00.467 operations mode for both small and large format remote 00:25:00.467 --> 00:25:04.966 meetings. We just completed a two day advisory 00:25:04.966 --> 00:25:09.666 committee meeting. We were told it has gone very well in that format, so we're happy to share what 00:25:09.666 --> 00:25:13.968 we've learned from that, both successes 00:25:13.968 --> 00:25:18.816 and issues still to be resolved with any community 00:25:18.816 --> 00:25:22.967 interested in trying some of that or sharing. 00:25:22.967 --> 00:25:26.717 » And Janet, did you have something to add before we move 00:25:26.717 --> 00:25:30.668 on? 00:25:30.668 --> 00:25:35.266 » Janet: Sorry. I have thoughts and people say something and I 00:25:35.266 --> 00:25:39.467 get inspired. One thing I wanted address, 00:25:39.467 --> 00:25:43.967 as far as being preventative and keeping inclusion on it is floor, I work with a lot of 00:25:43.967 --> 00:25:48.966 people, we are healing from 00:25:48.966 --> 00:25:53.215 previous noninclusive environment. So is there a component for 00:25:53.215 --> 00:25:57.516 still not only moving forward, but making sure we're addressing those who 00:25:57.516 --> 00:26:02.516 have already been in noninclusive systems and have, you know, experienced 00:26:02.516 --> 00:26:06.718 trauma or isolation or bias or 00:26:06.718 --> 00:26:10.467 stigma from any of that? I can't forget the ones that have been through 00:26:10.467 --> 00:26:14.467 it. 00:26:14.467 --> 00:26:20.966 » Judy Brewer: This is one of the topics that we decided to pursue 00:26:20.966 --> 00:26:25.216 in our old social justice repair indicated project. We were invited to look apt education 00:26:25.216 --> 00:26:29.516 and learning differences. And most 00:26:29.516 --> 00:26:34.517 of the other projects were with kids who were already in school, but we focused 00:26:34.517 --> 00:26:40.217 on kids who had disengaged from school and 00:26:40.217 --> 00:26:44.466 were caught in special safety nets, because kids with learning differences 00:26:44.466 --> 00:26:48.767 are over represented, of course, in all 00:26:48.767 --> 00:26:56.717 . Areas. Homelessness, 00:26:56.717 --> 00:27:01.768 drug recovery systems, you name it. Child 00:27:01.768 --> 00:27:06.016 labor. This is a global project we had, and we will be pursuing that further. It was a paper 00:27:06.016 --> 00:27:11.018 that we wrote about what we ask 00:27:11.018 --> 00:27:16.018 kids is why did you break up with school? What is it that caused that break 00:27:16.018 --> 00:27:20.217 up? And the reports, I mean, and 00:27:20.217 --> 00:27:24.566 it's quite quiet to see just how wounded kids can get from the current 00:27:24.566 --> 00:27:28.817 school system. So there is a 00:27:28.817 --> 00:27:33.018 project that we'll be pursuing again. But 00:27:33.018 --> 00:27:38.217 we have several collective reports on what the kids and the teachers 00:27:38.217 --> 00:27:43.017 and th the care workers and the youth 00:27:43.017 --> 00:27:47.266 justice workers were saying about the school experience and how the schools 00:27:47.266 --> 00:27:51.518 would change. [Indiscernible] 00:27:51.518 --> 00:27:57.016 if possible. 00:27:57.016 --> 00:28:01.517 Al also, W3C is currently updating 00:28:01.517 --> 00:28:05.817 our previous Code of Ethics and professional conduct, so this is not 00:28:05.817 --> 00:28:11.017 directly related to your question about schools 00:28:11.017 --> 00:28:16.517 and people who have had prior experience 00:28:16.517 --> 00:28:20.767 of hurtful exclusion, but I wanted to note that 00:28:20.767 --> 00:28:26.216 some of it is oriented towards virtual formats, and also 00:28:26.216 --> 00:28:34.068 that it is much more up-to-date and much 00:28:34.068 --> 00:28:38.565 more detailed, including we got a lot of good input from people who were focusing on things. 00:28:38.565 --> 00:28:42.515 I guess some of the broad category, microaggressions and so forth. Some of these 00:28:42.515 --> 00:28:48.516 are very relevant to school settings, so that could potentially be part of 00:28:48.516 --> 00:28:52.767 helping establish a safe environment going forward, although it doesn't directly address the 00:28:52.767 --> 00:29:00.767 historical trauma. 00:29:00.767 --> 00:29:08.565 » Vera: Pina, did you want to speak on the same topi topic? 00:29:08.565 --> 00:29:13.065 » Judy Brewer: This is something under internal review, but 00:29:13.065 --> 00:29:17.266 it's publicly visible, but it's not the version people would 00:29:17.266 --> 00:29:25.318 see linked from our pages that I consent links to. 00:29:25.318 --> 00:29:29.516 » Janet: Thank you. I guess it's more of a question for you, 00:29:29.516 --> 00:29:33.817 Uta, as you go through these questions and projects of the White paper you're talking 00:29:33.817 --> 00:29:38.269 about, which is incredibl incredibly, as you said, 00:29:38.269 --> 00:29:42.365 poignant. It tells a lot of poignant stories and incredible findings. I mean, we do 00:29:42.365 --> 00:29:46.516 -- there's a lot of research that happens. I guess my 00:29:46.516 --> 00:29:50.766 question would be that one we have these research papers 00:29:50.766 --> 00:29:55.067 , is what are we doing or what is 00:29:55.067 --> 00:30:00.267 the influence we had in trying t to turn this into 00:30:00.267 --> 00:30:04.770 actions? You know, I'd 00:30:04.770 --> 00:30:09.767 hate to see all of this work sort of sit somewhere, as we know many times 00:30:09.767 --> 00:30:11.018 happens, is there an active plan to take this further, as an example 00:30:11.018 --> 00:30:15.066 ? Does that make sense? 00:30:15.066 --> 00:30:19.267 » Yeah. And actually, 00:30:19.267 --> 00:30:23.765 one of the things that has been helping that's been very optimistic through 00:30:23.765 --> 00:30:28.066 the wee count project is to track the change, the impact we have 00:30:28.066 --> 00:30:32.567 on culture. So we did a number of 00:30:32.567 --> 00:30:39.315 surveys of academic programs that looked at AI, at 00:30:39.315 --> 00:30:43.566 companies that were publishing ethical AI practices, and were 00:30:43.566 --> 00:30:47.816 coming out with not only guidelines, but 00:30:47.816 --> 00:30:52.065 actual implementations of things. And we were able to show that those individuals 00:30:52.065 --> 00:30:56.616 that we worked with, the companies, the school boards, 00:30:56.616 --> 00:31:01.016 the schools that we had discussed these things with that were 00:31:01.016 --> 00:31:06.317 actually making significant 00:31:06.317 --> 00:31:11.066 changes. Similarly, water front is adopting our 00:31:11.066 --> 00:31:15.317 recommendations for the smarted cities component 00:31:15.317 --> 00:31:19.567 . And then in terms of 00:31:19.567 --> 00:31:25.616 school, so the U.S. Department of Ed has adopted a number of our 00:31:25.616 --> 00:31:30.565 recommendations with respect to learning differences. So we want to return 00:31:30.565 --> 00:31:34.816 to the discussion of this year's team. But there are definitely 00:31:34.816 --> 00:31:37.617 -- this year's theme, but there are definitely 00:31:37.617 --> 00:31:41.567 an number of signs of a deeper 00:31:41.567 --> 00:31:46.365 cultural change that we can trace through a number of the documents 00:31:46.365 --> 00:31:49.818 and recommendations and stories that we've published. 00:31:49.818 --> 00:31:51.818 Thank you. 00:31:51.818 --> 00:31:55.819 » Jutta: And I -- 00:31:55.819 --> 00:31:58.566 » Vera: And I actually add that had to the collaborative document, Pina. So you can 00:31:58.566 --> 00:32:01.317 elaborate on that later in the document. 00:32:01.317 --> 00:32:05.367 » Pina: I will. 00:32:05.367 --> 00:32:10.116 » Gloria: I wanted to move on to the 2020 format and the possibilities. So I'm going 00:32:10.116 --> 00:32:14.365 to have three questions to pose for you all today in it terms of 00:32:14.365 --> 00:32:18.317 possibilities for this format, and that would include thinking about pros, con 00:32:18.317 --> 00:32:23.366 s, and ideas. The first question would be one day, multiple 00:32:23.366 --> 00:32:27.567 day event, or workshop series? I wanted to know, in order to 00:32:27.567 --> 00:32:32.867 get a sense of a positive and useful format 00:32:32.867 --> 00:32:37.866 for DEEP, what have been some of your experiences, especially, as I think we're all aware 00:32:37.866 --> 00:32:42.315 that we're constantly attending events lately virtually 00:32:42.315 --> 00:32:48.666 . So what are the benefits and concerns of having either of these? 00:32:48.666 --> 00:32:58.618 Any thoughts? 00:32:58.618 --> 00:33:03.616 We're wondering if some of you have been to online conferences and can share your ideas of 00:33:03.616 --> 00:33:10.418 what might work for DEEP? 00:33:10.418 --> 00:33:11.067 » Can I say something? Can you hear me 00:33:11.067 --> 00:33:15.118 ? » Vera: Yeah. 00:33:15.118 --> 00:33:19.116 » Ather: I'd like to suggest that we go back to the fore mat 00:33:19.116 --> 00:33:24.867 we had before last year, which is to offer 00:33:24.867 --> 00:33:29.817 concurrent sessions where you would have somebody facilitate 00:33:29.817 --> 00:33:36.867 the session and have a discussion on various topics. 00:33:36.867 --> 00:33:40.966 Case studies, lessons learned from those case studies 00:33:40.966 --> 00:33:45.117 , such as smart cities and other things that 00:33:45.117 --> 00:33:50.417 we've been working on. So I like the idea of having 00:33:50.417 --> 00:33:52.866 concurrent sessions and I think that would be good. I like the idea of case 00:33:52.866 --> 00:33:56.866 studies. 00:33:56.866 --> 00:34:02.366 » Gloria: Thank you. Anybody? Is I think I have Clayton. I have Pin 00:34:02.366 --> 00:34:06.418 a on TOHRU. 00:34:06.418 --> 00:34:10.616 » P 00:34:10.616 --> 00:34:16.168 ina: This is Pina. I like doing the workshop 00:34:16.168 --> 00:34:20.665 . Ism that frequently when you do these one hour sessions, you're just getting to 00:34:20.665 --> 00:34:24.866 the meat of the discussion or the work and or and then we have to drop off. 00:34:24.866 --> 00:34:29.866 So I like what the recommendation that was made earlier about the 00:34:29.866 --> 00:34:34.116 concurrent sessions, but I like also to have enough time 00:34:34.116 --> 00:34:38.417 that it's more like a workshop that at the end of the workshop, there's 00:34:38.417 --> 00:34:44.417 an outcome. 00:34:44.417 --> 00:34:48.367 » Vera: Okay. So 00:34:48.367 --> 00:34:52.366 Clayton, Judy, and Cheryl. 00:34:52.366 --> 00:34:57.866 » Clayton: Yeah, this is Clayton. I've been involved in a couple of meetings that had 00:34:57.866 --> 00:35:03.167 to go online, and 00:35:03.167 --> 00:35:07.116 experience seems to be the traditional sessions, that kind of thing go very 00:35:07.116 --> 00:35:12.118 well, but what people miss is the opportunity 00:35:12.118 --> 00:35:16.617 for unscripted interaction outside that framework. So whatever the overall 00:35:16.617 --> 00:35:21.967 format is, and perhaps this would 00:35:21.967 --> 00:35:26.166 argue in favor of having something a little bit longer as opposed to shorter, some arrangement 00:35:26.166 --> 00:35:30.618 that allows the attendees to interact 00:35:30.618 --> 00:35:35.615 with other attendees informally, and the way it happens naturally 00:35:35.615 --> 00:35:40.416 at in-person meetings I think would be a good thing 00:35:40.416 --> 00:35:45.366 . And if you remember I think it would be done more inclusive than perhaps in-person 00:35:45.366 --> 00:35:51.667 meetings ordinarily provide. There's more detail once you get into it, thinking 00:35:51.667 --> 00:35:56.066 about possibilities there. But it could be good to provide some support for that 00:35:56.066 --> 00:36:00.667 kind of less structured interaction 00:36:00.667 --> 00:36:02.717 among participants. 00:36:02.717 --> 00:36:06.767 » Vera: Judy? 00:36:06.767 --> 00:36:12.166 » Judy: Yes. I'm in remote medium 00:36:12.166 --> 00:36:16.665 and large format meetings much of my days and also with W 00:36:16.665 --> 00:36:21.666 3C's experiments, one of the things that we've been trying to do, 00:36:21.666 --> 00:36:26.766 we have to bridge most of the time zones in it the world, and so there's a 00:36:26.766 --> 00:36:32.166 fairly small window where it's being extraordinarily unfair to some 00:36:32.166 --> 00:36:37.716 people. So for, like, a large and formal meeting, we will do 00:36:37.716 --> 00:36:41.965 multi day, but the active discussion period will only be 90 minutes 00:36:41.965 --> 00:36:46.415 . For instance, the past two days that's what we've done. For the presentation materials, we 00:36:46.415 --> 00:36:52.916 prerecorded everything, captione captioned, got it translated into multiple 00:36:52.916 --> 00:36:57.416 languages, and gave people a substantial amount of time in advance, you know 00:36:57.416 --> 00:37:02.117 , a week or more to review all the background materials so that 00:37:02.117 --> 00:37:06.916 the actual intersecting meeting time was 100% 00:37:06.916 --> 00:37:11.415 discussion. So we took advantage of that interaction 00:37:11.415 --> 00:37:16.916 and it worked better than we had hoped. In addition, we had a flexible 00:37:16.916 --> 00:37:17.968 period of before, for half hour before and half hour after. So according 00:37:17.968 --> 00:37:21.917 to 00:37:21.917 --> 00:37:26.217 time zones, people could start to get the experience of hallway interactions. We expect to use 00:37:26.217 --> 00:37:30.415 breakout rooms, next version of this, so that people 00:37:30.415 --> 00:37:34.717 ca can, with similar interests, go into different smaller group discussions 00:37:34.717 --> 00:37:39.417 for more interactivity and we're also looking at 00:37:39.417 --> 00:37:43.915 using a Zoom-based augmentative reality interface to 00:37:43.915 --> 00:37:48.966 Virtual Reality for some shared maybe semi-recreational 00:37:48.966 --> 00:37:53.166 experience to again leverage some of the informal activities, like 00:37:53.166 --> 00:37:59.818 a happy hour or a trip to a historical 00:37:59.818 --> 00:38:04.216 landmark or something so that people have an opportunity to really get that informal 00:38:04.216 --> 00:38:08.416 interaction, like a cafe, because you get completely different things out 00:38:08.416 --> 00:38:08.466 of that part of the meeting meetings. 00:38:08.466 --> 00:38:11.967 » Gloria: 00:38:11.967 --> 00:38:15.966 So you're already doing that or working towards that? 00:38:15.966 --> 00:38:20.216 » Judy: The last part is in development. Everything else we've been doing and 00:38:20.216 --> 00:38:24.466 documenting some of it, and I think some of our materials from our past, 00:38:24.466 --> 00:38:28.665 from our just done event may end up publicly available. I'm 00:38:28.665 --> 00:38:32.716 not sure. But our method is already available. We're happy 00:38:32.716 --> 00:38:36.667 to share anything that you're interested in. 00:38:36.667 --> 00:38:42.023 » Vera: Fabulous. Thank you, Judy. Cheryl and then Lori. 00:38:42.023 --> 00:38:46.967 » Cheryl: So let's see. I added some 00:38:46.967 --> 00:38:52.419 things for possible speakers 00:38:52.419 --> 00:38:56.966 , Indigenous speakers from a variety of different areas. For myself as an Indigenous 00:38:56.966 --> 00:39:01.466 person, that's usually going to be the draw for me to want to attend 00:39:01.466 --> 00:39:06.466 anything. And I believe actually it's 00:39:06.466 --> 00:39:12.466 important. It's probably more important for people to listen to a knowwledge 00:39:12.466 --> 00:39:16.516 knowledge-keeper than to just you know the land 00:39:16.516 --> 00:39:21.016 acknowledgment by heart, which is sort of how it's starting to 00:39:21.016 --> 00:39:24.967 become. 00:39:24.967 --> 00:39:29.216 I think also, because of our world view, we tend be to be listening. When somebody is 00:39:29.216 --> 00:39:33.466 speaking like the last speaker, who's very knowledgeable, I could 00:39:33.466 --> 00:39:37.967 actually listen for quite a while you know? And 00:39:37.967 --> 00:39:42.217 we're not interrupting. We aren't blurting out and wanting 00:39:42.217 --> 00:39:46.517 to interject and add ideas. So I like that format. I like 00:39:46.517 --> 00:39:50.717 that whether there's a speaker and they're 00:39:50.717 --> 00:39:55.016 sharing knowledge and we're really just listening 00:39:55.016 --> 00:40:01.018 and soaking it in. That works for me 00:40:01.018 --> 00:40:05.218 and anyone this reset that we're going through in the world right now, it's really important that we 00:40:05.218 --> 00:40:11.217 listen to that knowledge that's there. 00:40:11.217 --> 00:40:15.218 I've got more to say, but I'll stop there. 00:40:15.218 --> 00:40:17.716 » Vera: Thank you, and I love that you're putting things in that collaborative document, so 00:40:17.716 --> 00:40:21.716 thank you for tha that, Cheryl. 00:40:21.716 --> 00:40:25.968 Lori? Hang on, you're 00:40:25.968 --> 00:40:29.067 muted. We have to unmute you. I've having difficulty unmuting you 00:40:29.067 --> 00:40:33.066 . Are you able to? There you go. 00:40:33.066 --> 00:40:36.216 » Lori: 00:40:36.216 --> 00:40:40.266 -- 00:40:40.266 --> 00:40:42.966 » Vera: Oh, no. It didn't go. Is it 00:40:42.966 --> 00:40:45.267 too many hosts? Can't unmute? 00:40:45.267 --> 00:40:49.267 » Gloria: Justin, are you there? Oh, there. Okay. 00:40:49.267 --> 00:40:53.416 » Lori: It was on my end. Listening to everyone 00:40:53.416 --> 00:40:58.016 , and I haven't been to DEEP the last few years, but was 00:40:58.016 --> 00:41:02.467 there sometimes years ago. 00:41:02.467 --> 00:41:06.719 And I guess I'll kind of end up with a 00:41:06.719 --> 00:41:10.966 combination of all the ideas we've mentioned so far and thinking that the 00:41:10.966 --> 00:41:15.266 workshop idea in a smaller group on a certain 00:41:15.266 --> 00:41:19.367 topic would be useful. I think what would 00:41:19.367 --> 00:41:23.517 help me is always having advance materials. So that would 00:41:23.517 --> 00:41:28.017 help me get focused so that when we are together 00:41:28.017 --> 00:41:32.767 and discussing, you know, ideas already and I've thought it through and things like 00:41:32.767 --> 00:41:36.967 that, but then the idea of maybe taking 00:41:36.967 --> 00:41:42.966 that and having a group work through it. So advance materials, have a workshop 00:41:42.966 --> 00:41:47.466 group that spends a 90 minute suggestion or longer to work through 00:41:47.466 --> 00:41:51.768 a topic, and then to use that one day 00:41:51.768 --> 00:41:57.715 to share so that you're actually using all three components in a way, but 00:41:57.715 --> 00:42:02.715 at the same time, I would say that, well, you would expect that we would all have lots of time 00:42:02.715 --> 00:42:03.266 these days. We tend to be extremely busy. Recognizing that you 00:42:03.266 --> 00:42:07.267 don't 00:42:07.267 --> 00:42:11.517 want to draw it out too much, but again, as I think 00:42:11.517 --> 00:42:16.467 Pina said, you want to come out with an outcome with some sort of 00:42:16.467 --> 00:42:20.767 focused result and, like others, we're 00:42:20.767 --> 00:42:24.816 saying you wanted to give people who don't want to jump in right away or are 00:42:24.816 --> 00:42:29.017 in a big crowd the opportunity to share 00:42:29.017 --> 00:42:33.266 and the 90 minute idea seemed like a good timeline as well. So kind of taking the 00:42:33.266 --> 00:42:38.817 ideas that everybody else has mentioned and pulling it together 00:42:38.817 --> 00:42:39.266 to one option 00:42:39.266 --> 00:42:39.766 . 00:42:39.766 --> 00:42:43.767 » Vera: Janet? 00:42:43.767 --> 00:42:48.266 » Janet: Just 00:42:48.266 --> 00:42:52.517 to add on, I'm new, so I'm assuming you already know everything I'm going 00:42:52.517 --> 00:42:57.016 to say. I apologize if I'm just stating the obvious 00:42:57.016 --> 00:43:01.816 . But I have a collaborated. I don't do anything 00:43:01.816 --> 00:43:06.017 about anyone without them. Similar to what Pina 00:43:06.017 --> 00:43:13.017 mentioned, just making sure that we're utilizing the real experts 00:43:13.017 --> 00:43:17.266 when we are discussing information regarding FAS 00:43:17.266 --> 00:43:34.070 D and 00:43:34.070 --> 00:43:38.816 . I don't know if there's a way to showcase the people that 00:43:38.816 --> 00:43:43.067 do the cell advocacy work for their own sort of needs in it the community 00:43:43.067 --> 00:43:52.867 as well. 00:43:52.867 --> 00:43:57.067 » Vera: That's something we're always endeavor to do and to try to do better and better every year. I think 00:43:57.067 --> 00:44:01.316 that's a great thing to remind us, regardless of whether we know it or not. It's 00:44:01.316 --> 00:44:05.567 a very important point. I think there's 00:44:05.567 --> 00:44:10.567 no more hands up. But I did see that we kind of 00:44:10.567 --> 00:44:15.116 managed to hit all three of those things. Right? Is so that was really nicely 00:44:15.116 --> 00:44:20.067 done. Did you want me to go to the in text slide, Gloria? Or do you have more to 00:44:20.067 --> 00:44:26.066 add mere? Ander glow we can move on. 00:44:26.066 --> 00:44:30.566 » I think Judy wanted to say something. 00:44:30.566 --> 00:44:30.816 » I don't know your name, but MCV 00:44:30.816 --> 00:44:34.818 -- 00:44:34.818 --> 00:44:39.665 » Lori, thank you, the comments you were making, I want to just critique the model we were 00:44:39.665 --> 00:44:44.118 using in one regard, which is we did a bit of post analysis and we 00:44:44.118 --> 00:44:48.566 found that it seems like the people who are kind of 00:44:48.566 --> 00:44:54.816 most established in their field of expertise were the ones who were confident speaking in this the format 00:44:54.816 --> 00:44:59.017 I described and that people wh who -- there were many people that we did not hear from 00:44:59.017 --> 00:45:03.267 , and so we've started 00:45:03.267 --> 00:45:07.416 to explore like ice breaking techniques and stuff to get more equal 00:45:07.416 --> 00:45:12.066 participation hopefully in it the future. But it has problems as well. Just wanted to be clear about 00:45:12.066 --> 00:45:14.617 that. 00:45:14.617 --> 00:45:16.817 » Gloria: Thank you. 00:45:16.817 --> 00:45:20.816 » Vera: I see Pina has something to add, I think. 00:45:20.816 --> 00:45:44.318 » Pina: 00:45:44.318 --> 00:45:46.566 -- 00:45:46.566 --> 00:45:50.566 » Vera: I can't still can't hear you, Pina. 00:45:50.566 --> 00:45:55.815 » Gloria: Justin let us know in the chat some we can 00:45:55.815 --> 00:45:56.816 unout and others we ask to unmute. It might depend on personal settings 00:45:56.816 --> 00:46:00.917 . » Vera: I see. 00:46:00.917 --> 00:46:06.566 » Pina: Am I good? Actually, 00:46:06.566 --> 00:46:11.817 thank you. to Judy's point about the 00:46:11.817 --> 00:46:16.066 people whose voice you heard, I guess it's more of a question than anything else. 00:46:16.066 --> 00:46:21.117 You know, even in this example where we're using multiple channels 00:46:21.117 --> 00:46:26.067 to communicated and participate in this 00:46:26.067 --> 00:46:30.566 session as an example, I think part of it is in regards to the topic, 00:46:30.566 --> 00:46:34.816 but also part of it is also being attentive to the knowledge as to how the tools 00:46:34.816 --> 00:46:40.117 are being used and who can use them. Because I know for 00:46:40.117 --> 00:46:44.366 myself as a screen reader and someone who can 00:46:44.366 --> 00:46:48.317 relate to this, you're shifting from screen to screen to screen all the time to try and touch 00:46:48.317 --> 00:46:54.917 all the channels that people are using. 00:46:54.917 --> 00:46:59.566 It could lead to that silence that you were referring to, Judy 00:46:59.566 --> 00:47:05.118 . 00:47:05.118 --> 00:47:10.617 » Gloria: Thank you, pina. So I'm just 00:47:10.617 --> 00:47:14.817 goal to carry on with DEEP theme and topics. On this slide, we wanted to 00:47:14.817 --> 00:47:19.816 bring up the conversations about the state of inclusion, which was the theme that we had for 00:47:19.816 --> 00:47:24.117 last year. And some of these topics included informed consents in the age of 00:47:24.117 --> 00:47:29.567 data signs, the future of work, the gig economy, and the digital 00:47:29.567 --> 00:47:34.367 skills gap. Open education and inclusive 00:47:34.367 --> 00:47:38.565 lifelong learning. And we came up with an ask, which is a projects to include an inclusive 00:47:38.565 --> 00:47:42.866 data ecosystem. And there was quite a bits of pretty much all 00:47:42.866 --> 00:47:47.615 of the topics that were addressed were my understanding at DEEP 2019 were really 00:47:47.615 --> 00:47:51.866 touching on the artificial intelligence aspect, and the announcements of we 00:47:51.866 --> 00:47:56.366 count was made, which is a projects funded by the accessible technology program 00:47:56.366 --> 00:48:01.865 to help find solutions that help Canadians with disabilities overcome barriers 00:48:01.865 --> 00:48:06.167 that come in the way of their full participation in the workplace. And with that 00:48:06.167 --> 00:48:10.116 , said, these are just some of the selected ones 00:48:10.116 --> 00:48:14.366 . There were several more. But I wanted to move forward 00:48:14.366 --> 00:48:20.368 with themes for 2020. 00:48:20.368 --> 00:48:24.615 Any thoughts to consider? We have some questions. What do 00:48:24.615 --> 00:48:29.316 we want to focus on for DEEP 2020? What activities 00:48:29.316 --> 00:48:30.817 can we engage in to further our cushions and wor work? And what can work well in it the 00:48:30.817 --> 00:48:34.866 online format? 00:48:34.866 --> 00:48:39.116 So I know we've addressed some of these, but please, I'm opening up to more 00:48:39.116 --> 00:48:44.816 questions and feedback and to think about the theme, I'd like to get a sense of that from the 00:48:44.816 --> 00:48:50.617 group. 00:48:50.617 --> 00:49:02.117 Pina? 00:49:02.117 --> 00:49:02.368 » Vera: We'll let you know when you're 00:49:02.368 --> 00:49:05.367 unmuted, pina. 00:49:05.367 --> 00:49:09.368 » Pina: Okay? » Vera: Yes. 00:49:09.368 --> 00:49:13.617 » Pina: Okay. Cool. I'm just going to throw it out there as a start 00:49:13.617 --> 00:49:18.367 of the conversation and hopefully everybody 00:49:18.367 --> 00:49:22.667 will kick in. But thing that was mentioned earlier 00:49:22.667 --> 00:49:27.115 in it the introduction was about transformation. How do we transform 00:49:27.115 --> 00:49:32.367 from where we are from where we need to be. And I wonder if that could be sort of the 00:49:32.367 --> 00:49:36.617 leading discussion or point. 00:49:36.617 --> 00:49:43.866 Right? 00:49:43.866 --> 00:49:46.616 » Vera: I like that. 00:49:46.616 --> 00:49:50.618 » Vera: Lori and then Janet. 00:49:50.618 --> 00:50:14.969 » Lori: 00:50:14.969 --> 00:50:16.917 -- 00:50:16.917 --> 00:50:20.865 » Vera: It typically shows up in the bottom left. You got it. 00:50:20.865 --> 00:50:22.667 » Lori: I thought gauze I didn't re-mute myself that you would be able to do 00:50:22.667 --> 00:50:26.167 it. 00:50:26.167 --> 00:50:30.167 » Vera: I didn't even try. Sorry. 00:50:30.167 --> 00:50:34.719 » Lori: Next time we'll try that. This is more of a 00:50:34.719 --> 00:50:38.866 current idea and I mean, maybe it will be ending soon. We can always hope 00:50:38.866 --> 00:50:45.166 . But something that itch noticed in talking to a number of of people with disabilities recently 00:50:45.166 --> 00:50:49.165 has been that the Covid experience has shown up all 00:50:49.165 --> 00:50:54.416 of these new barriers for them and new gams. So things like not having 00:50:54.416 --> 00:50:59.716 your assistive technology maybe for the work that's at home or not having the same applications, 00:50:59.716 --> 00:51:04.115 things like, you know, personal support workers or delivery 00:51:04.115 --> 00:51:08.417 people not being able to come right to your door or right into your home 00:51:08.417 --> 00:51:10.667 . So there's a lot of new barriers that people are facing 00:51:10.667 --> 00:51:14.667 . 00:51:14.667 --> 00:51:20.417 I don't think anything that's really 00:51:20.417 --> 00:51:25.367 solvable, but it is a struggle for some people right 00:51:25.367 --> 00:51:30.716 now. Especially 00:51:30.716 --> 00:51:42.417 people who have some perm support during the week. 00:51:42.417 --> 00:51:43.168 Just share tha that. 00:51:43.168 --> 00:51:47.167 » Vera: Janet? 00:51:47.167 --> 00:52:03.219 » Janet: I like all of those ideas. 00:52:03.219 --> 00:52:07.416 Everybody has been kind of affected by somebody finally, so maybe to be able to step 00:52:07.416 --> 00:52:11.665 into some shoes of a difference perspective. So we really want to take advantage that have to 00:52:11.665 --> 00:52:15.967 sort of spread the mindset that, you know, everyone has needs. Some 00:52:15.967 --> 00:52:20.166 have more. We all need to adjust. And here is 00:52:20.166 --> 00:52:24.216 really what we can do. And 00:52:24.216 --> 00:52:29.417 my I'm going to go to the mental 00:52:29.417 --> 00:52:34.217 health and that's kind of what I've been specializing in it, and I know that there's a massive lack in the 00:52:34.217 --> 00:52:38.418 province that I'm in it of anyone who is specialized in it working with anyone with disability 00:52:38.418 --> 00:52:43.167 , cognitive or their 00:52:43.167 --> 00:52:47.916 mental health services. So there's a big gap in service providers 00:52:47.916 --> 00:52:51.416 for those with disabilities that might need to transform. I like that 00:52:51.416 --> 00:52:55.418 wor word, transform, for sure. 00:52:55.418 --> 00:52:58.217 » Vera: I like that reset the mindset. I thought that was nice and catchy. I like the catchiness of that. 00:52:58.217 --> 00:53:02.217 Thank you. 00:53:02.217 --> 00:53:06.216 Now, Atherin, I see you posted in it the chat. Would you like 00:53:06.216 --> 00:53:10.717 to talk about that or I just add it to the 00:53:10.717 --> 00:53:11.416 document? You're 00:53:11.416 --> 00:53:15.517 muted. 00:53:15.517 --> 00:53:21.668 » Ather: Living with Covid-19 00:53:21.668 --> 00:53:25.917 just presents, you know, great opportunities for our work, and I think that some of the areas 00:53:25.917 --> 00:53:29.968 that we can look at is, you know, 00:53:29.968 --> 00:53:34.917 gig economy and how learning disabilities are 00:53:34.917 --> 00:53:39.666 being managed in our institutions and other examples that I've given. I think this is the time to think about 00:53:39.666 --> 00:53:43.767 that and come up with some concrete 00:53:43.767 --> 00:53:48.416 actionable items. 00:53:48.416 --> 00:53:52.917 » Vera: Right. Thank you. 00:53:52.917 --> 00:53:57.166 » Jutta: This is Jutta. If it I can quickly intersect. The sort 00:53:57.166 --> 00:54:02.218 of notion of a new type of mindset 00:54:02.218 --> 00:54:06.717 is very much linked to the actionable parts 00:54:06.717 --> 00:54:10.916 . Certainly since the outbreak of the pandemic, we have been inundated 00:54:10.916 --> 00:54:16.166 and just completely overwhelmed with requests for assistance in 00:54:16.166 --> 00:54:21.766 changing ways of doing things and changing new 00:54:21.766 --> 00:54:26.167 ways of or new ideas for how to do 00:54:26.167 --> 00:54:30.467 things differently. Everything from the Bank of Canada asking for a 00:54:30.467 --> 00:54:34.967 digital currency advice to 00:54:34.967 --> 00:54:39.166 single identity management and single sign on systems that are more 00:54:39.166 --> 00:54:43.467 accessible to broadcasters coming 00:54:43.467 --> 00:54:48.166 to us asking about more inclusively 00:54:48.166 --> 00:54:52.667 designed presentation of culture to the 00:54:52.667 --> 00:54:57.566 list goes on and 00:54:57.566 --> 00:55:01.915 on, including many individuals who are either front line 00:55:01.915 --> 00:55:06.718 workers, so emergency management workers have been approaching 00:55:06.718 --> 00:55:10.967 us. The paramedics have 00:55:10.967 --> 00:55:15.418 been approaching us. So there are opportunities in each 00:55:15.418 --> 00:55:21.017 of these to not just think 00:55:21.017 --> 00:55:22.666 very practically and in the current momen moment, but also to think about, 00:55:22.666 --> 00:55:26.668 to draw back and think about the 00:55:26.668 --> 00:55:30.668 system as a whole. How do we make the entire system more inclusive and how do 00:55:30.668 --> 00:55:36.216 all of these sort of tie together? 00:55:36.216 --> 00:55:40.166 » Vera: Pina, do you want to add to that? 00:55:40.166 --> 00:55:44.466 » Pina: to all of this conversation, I think it's great. I think the other thing that 00:55:44.466 --> 00:55:50.165 I want to sort of defensor I mean, we hear a lot about how this 00:55:50.165 --> 00:55:54.266 pandemic halls taught us new things, and in if some cases 00:55:54.266 --> 00:55:58.416 , I have to disagree. It hasn't really taught us -- there are a lot of things 00:55:58.416 --> 00:56:03.516 it hasn't taught us. What it has done is 00:56:03.516 --> 00:56:08.217 it has increased the visibility 00:56:08.217 --> 00:56:12.465 for some of the things, the barriers that exist, and some of the things that 00:56:12.465 --> 00:56:18.217 we already had at our fingertips and did not take advantage of 00:56:18.217 --> 00:56:22.717 . So I wonder if the conversation could be 00:56:22.717 --> 00:56:26.966 maybe around in the acceleration of this change of mindset or the 00:56:26.966 --> 00:56:31.765 acceleration of how we, you know, how we responded to this 00:56:31.765 --> 00:56:36.216 because of, you know -- because I mean, access to assistive 00:56:36.216 --> 00:56:40.967 technology has been around for a long time. In many cases, it's been the politics 00:56:40.967 --> 00:56:45.166 , it's been in many cases in the policies that have 00:56:45.166 --> 00:56:49.718 been barriers or attitudes. But the technology has been there, as an example. Right? 00:56:49.718 --> 00:56:53.967 So I just -- I just think that it has really 00:56:53.967 --> 00:56:58.966 increased the visibility of the barriers that 00:56:58.966 --> 00:57:03.266 existed, and I think that it has also given us an opportunity to 00:57:03.266 --> 00:57:07.466 see how responsive we can, in fact, be when 00:57:07.466 --> 00:57:09.666 we have the right drivers 00:57:09.666 --> 00:57:13.667 to be. 00:57:13.667 --> 00:57:19.517 » Yeah. Good point. 00:57:19.517 --> 00:57:24.717 » Gloria: So I do want to mention I think everybody has pretty 00:57:24.717 --> 00:57:29.916 much touched on some of their topics, but I do want to mention that the Google Doc is looking very 00:57:29.916 --> 00:57:35.215 good. And I want to open it up for more. If anybody would like to elaborate 00:57:35.215 --> 00:57:39.766 more on some of the ideas they've put in that document, there were some that 00:57:39.766 --> 00:57:43.966 I had previously added before the meeting from the survey questions that were asked 00:57:43.966 --> 00:57:48.217 on registration. And if you would like to add 00:57:48.217 --> 00:57:52.468 to them, please feel free. I know some of them 00:57:52.468 --> 00:57:56.717 already have come up. 00:57:56.717 --> 00:58:01.968 On the virtual social events. 00:58:01.968 --> 00:58:05.117 » Vera: Did you want to review these now or did you want to come back to them if we have more time 00:58:05.117 --> 00:58:09.118 ? I can't remember the -- 00:58:09.118 --> 00:58:10.467 » Gloria: This is pretty much at the end. We are dedicating mostly to topics 00:58:10.467 --> 00:58:11.466 and comments. 00:58:11.466 --> 00:58:13.767 » Vera: Then go on. Sorry. 00:58:13.767 --> 00:58:17.667 » Gloria: Yeah. We can go on. 00:58:17.667 --> 00:58:21.716 » Vera: Do what you're doing, sorry. 00:58:21.716 --> 00:58:25.968 » Pina: Vera, Gloria, for those of us 00:58:25.968 --> 00:58:27.566 who can't edit the document, are you adding the comments we're making as well or is someone adding 00:58:27.566 --> 00:58:31.517 it? 00:58:31.517 --> 00:58:35.717 » Vera: Pina, when you have been speaking, I have put in pieces of what you've been saying. So I've 00:58:35.717 --> 00:58:39.966 tried to sort of capture it from where it belongs, but you 00:58:39.966 --> 00:58:44.217 find that you can't -- would you 00:58:44.217 --> 00:58:48.765 be able to go into the Google Doc later when you don't have all the channels 00:58:48.765 --> 00:58:52.816 open? And they're also recording so we can come back and grab ideas and put them 00:58:52.816 --> 00:58:57.467 i in, because we're not getting all of them necessarily. So we hope to 00:58:57.467 --> 00:59:01.466 compile all of them and also come up with a bit of a summary 00:59:01.466 --> 00:59:05.967 or this document might end up being the summary once you've sort of sorted 00:59:05.967 --> 00:59:10.267 and cleaned up and things like that. So it is being 00:59:10.267 --> 00:59:14.716 captured one way or another, and you'll have opportunity to add after if you have time. And we certainly love all 00:59:14.716 --> 00:59:18.966 of you to add ideas and thoughts, especially -- I'm a 00:59:18.966 --> 00:59:23.217 bit curious myself about, you know, thinking 00:59:23.217 --> 00:59:28.015 about new ways of engaging together in this kind of a format 00:59:28.015 --> 00:59:32.766 or ways that are effective that would be interesting and 00:59:32.766 --> 00:59:36.968 not just talk/listen, which has great value, 00:59:36.968 --> 00:59:41.015 but I think it's nice when we have a variety of ways to go all together. That's an area I'm thinking 00:59:41.015 --> 00:59:47.017 about and I'd love suggestions around that from people either here today or in the 00:59:47.017 --> 00:59:47.717 document. Go back to you, 00:59:47.717 --> 00:59:51.717 Gloria. 00:59:51.717 --> 00:59:51.967 » Gloria: I'd like to keep it open if anybody has any comments 00:59:51.967 --> 00:59:52.766 . 00:59:52.766 --> 00:59:56.717 » Vera: There is a hand up. 00:59:56.717 --> 01:00:02.317 » Gloria: Please. Go ahead. There's time. 01:00:02.317 --> 01:00:06.566 » Jutta: One of the issues that I wanted to run by everyone, I was talking about being engaged 01:00:06.566 --> 01:00:12.117 by many different groups, and one of the things 01:00:12.117 --> 01:00:17.216 that emerged during Covid in it a much stronger way than ever 01:00:17.216 --> 01:00:23.017 before is this notion of rationing and worthy 01:00:23.017 --> 01:00:27.266 iness and whether it's equipment rationing or whether 01:00:27.266 --> 01:00:31.468 it's determining who to risk 01:00:31.468 --> 01:00:36.016 , and that certainly links into previous speakers that we've 01:00:36.016 --> 01:00:40.268 had in it terms of the vulnerable adults or vulnerable 01:00:40.268 --> 01:00:44.517 persons, Secretariat and Katharine 01:00:44.517 --> 01:00:49.915 frizzy and back when we were looking at the legislation around 01:00:49.915 --> 01:00:54.316 medically assistive [Indiscernible] and the we do valuing of people with disabilities -- 01:00:54.316 --> 01:00:58.516 devaluing of people with disabilities. There is a lot of 01:00:58.516 --> 01:01:03.021 conversation going on right now with respect 01:01:03.021 --> 01:01:07.516 to this, given the pandemic and the future waves of pandemic, and I wonder 01:01:07.516 --> 01:01:12.066 if this is a topic that is of interest to people? Because 01:01:12.066 --> 01:01:16.767 we're certainly embroiled right now in quite a number of 01:01:16.767 --> 01:01:21.719 debates. I've 01:01:21.719 --> 01:01:22.568 been on 01:01:22.568 --> 01:01:26.617 pan Canadian committees that are 01:01:26.617 --> 01:01:30.816 looking at policies, but also international and provincial 01:01:30.816 --> 01:01:35.065 committees. My role there is largely, how do we make the 01:01:35.065 --> 01:01:39.266 communication accessible, but of course, the ethical 01:01:39.266 --> 01:01:44.967 and perform issues that come up with quite scary and there 01:01:44.967 --> 01:01:49.317 needs to be advocacy related to this. We already have quite a 01:01:49.317 --> 01:01:53.768 long slate of topics here and perhaps 01:01:53.768 --> 01:01:58.016 we can take the opportunity to have more topics 01:01:58.016 --> 01:02:02.266 than we would usually be able to fit into one or two days in it this 01:02:02.266 --> 01:02:07.266 online format. I 01:02:07.266 --> 01:02:11.766 will paste into the chat something I wrote in response to some of that that sort of gives 01:02:11.766 --> 01:02:16.066 you some sense of -- it touches on the mindset, 01:02:16.066 --> 01:02:19.516 but also the issues that have come up in these 01:02:19.516 --> 01:02:22.068 conversations. 01:02:22.068 --> 01:02:26.019 » Vera: Susan, I think you also wanted to speak? 01:02:26.019 --> 01:02:30.016 » Susan: Yes, sorry. I'm having trouble with 01:02:30.016 --> 01:02:34.315 the hand raising tool. And I had to step away for a second. I can't 01:02:34.315 --> 01:02:39.266 see the Google Doc. One of the things that comes up with the changing 01:02:39.266 --> 01:02:45.067 of society was chaos and those types 01:02:45.067 --> 01:02:49.567 of things is the opportunity for brief accessibility 01:02:49.567 --> 01:02:54.215 . And I don't know if it's covered already. But we want to look at how we can sustain the efforts 01:02:54.215 --> 01:03:00.316 that have been made to make remote work accessible 01:03:00.316 --> 01:03:02.767 and shift so that it continued, even after it's not required 01:03:02.767 --> 01:03:06.766 because of the virus. 01:03:06.766 --> 01:03:12.817 The other piece that I wanted to state was that I worked on 01:03:12.817 --> 01:03:17.066 large groups and breaking 01:03:17.066 --> 01:03:21.266 into small sessions in Zoom rooms with assigned tasks and leaders seems to provide 01:03:21.266 --> 01:03:25.517 an opportunity for those who 01:03:25.517 --> 01:03:30.516 don't speak often to speak up. And it's a little less forced than 01:03:30.516 --> 01:03:35.065 some just, you know, groundbreaking types of activities 01:03:35.065 --> 01:03:39.265 . So that may be something to consider, as we have a 01:03:39.265 --> 01:03:43.767 workshop or a theme to break out into smaller groups for discussion using 01:03:43.767 --> 01:03:44.066 the Zoom rooms or something similar 01:03:44.066 --> 01:03:48.018 . 01:03:48.018 --> 01:03:51.818 » Vera: Right. I recorded your suggestions, but please go to the Google Doc when you're 01:03:51.818 --> 01:03:55.817 able to and check it out. 01:03:55.817 --> 01:04:00.066 Cheryl, I think you're next. Cheryl? 01:04:00.066 --> 01:04:04.316 » Cheryl: Yeah. Something I forgot to say last time I spoke 01:04:04.316 --> 01:04:08.518 . When you were asking about experience in conference 01:04:08.518 --> 01:04:15.817 s and online, so my PhD 01:04:15.817 --> 01:04:20.066 meets every two weeks, and I actually prefer that way better than our older 01:04:20.066 --> 01:04:24.816 format of having a conference or having a seminar where it's 01:04:24.816 --> 01:04:29.016 five long days of presentations. And I really am appreciating the fact that I've got 01:04:29.016 --> 01:04:33.317 a schedule now where I can say that, you know, for this hour, 01:04:33.317 --> 01:04:37.316 for this two hours on this week that I'm doing 01:04:37.316 --> 01:04:39.567 this thing and there ising a lot of talk about the preparation in advance, things that you would 01:04:39.567 --> 01:04:43.567 create, how you'd be prepared. 01:04:43.567 --> 01:04:47.865 So I find that to be really a useful formats. And the other 01:04:47.865 --> 01:04:53.065 thing in this sort of current discussion that we're talking about, I think many 01:04:53.065 --> 01:04:58.266 years ago at DEEP, Sheila carbo carbondale, I think it was at DEEP 01:04:58.266 --> 01:05:02.565 , presented and talked about data barons versus data 01:05:02.565 --> 01:05:07.166 surfs. So I think really it would be good to have some consideration 01:05:07.166 --> 01:05:11.867 of who are the data surfs right now in online remote learning 01:05:11.867 --> 01:05:21.616 ? The urban Core? The remote Indigenous 01:05:21.616 --> 01:05:28.367 and rural students. 01:05:28.367 --> 01:05:32.567 Even to be able to be on a Zoom chat. I think that would 01:05:32.567 --> 01:05:38.567 be really important to make sure that we 01:05:38.567 --> 01:05:42.867 have that glaring, obvious hole that's happening where the -- you know be there's 01:05:42.867 --> 01:05:46.866 a large surfdom being created. 01:05:46.866 --> 01:05:47.316 » Vera: All right. We'll look at that one, very nic nice. Pina, you wanted 01:05:47.316 --> 01:05:51.317 to adding some? 01:05:51.317 --> 01:05:56.566 » Pina: Well, yes. Just a little point that was made 01:05:56.566 --> 01:06:02.267 regarding whether having con 01:06:02.267 --> 01:06:06.615 consecutive days or not. I think one of the things I want to make note of 01:06:06.615 --> 01:06:11.067 is last year we had introduced a notion of having follow-up 01:06:11.067 --> 01:06:15.266 sessions throughout the year. Right? You could keep people engaged, 01:06:15.266 --> 01:06:19.317 to sort of get people 01:06:19.317 --> 01:06:23.517 talking throughout the year so that we can 01:06:23.517 --> 01:06:27.816 then this these conferences give a synopsis, anything out where we're going from there 01:06:27.816 --> 01:06:32.066 . And I really -- and we did not deliver on that. So I'm 01:06:32.066 --> 01:06:36.066 just trying to make sure that, you know, if we choose to, and 01:06:36.066 --> 01:06:40.316 I was going to talk about it later, but now that it was brought up or not 01:06:40.316 --> 01:06:44.616 , so if we choose to do this kind of sort of delivery 01:06:44.616 --> 01:06:49.367 throughout the year 01:06:49.367 --> 01:06:53.616 we want to make sure we have a fixed schedule, a fixed agenda so people can, 01:06:53.616 --> 01:06:57.817 to the point that was made earlier, people actually know, because I think it's 01:06:57.817 --> 01:07:01.917 important that we create that continuum. 01:07:01.917 --> 01:07:06.315 » Well, pina, you will be happy to know we're actually working on the digging deeper schedule 01:07:06.315 --> 01:07:10.616 right now. We've got a few invitations for certain speakers 01:07:10.616 --> 01:07:15.616 that we're just waiting to hear from, but we've got some other things that we've got 01:07:15.616 --> 01:07:22.916 in mind so that we can get started, and the plan just got a little bit 01:07:22.916 --> 01:07:27.516 derailed. About four months ago. And so, you know, we're just rethinking how the digging 01:07:27.516 --> 01:07:31.818 deeper and events occur. And digging deeper 01:07:31.818 --> 01:07:37.816 is going to be sort of intertwined with we count, just like dep 01:07:37.816 --> 01:07:43.116 2020 was intertwined with some of the previous topics of we count. And 01:07:43.116 --> 01:07:47.817 so we're getting a bit excited about what we're thinking of. So hopefully we'll 01:07:47.817 --> 01:07:55.567 have that to share within the coming months. 01:07:55.567 --> 01:07:59.816 » Gloria: If there are no questions, we can mover on to the next slide and you've pretty much covered 01:07:59.816 --> 01:08:01.318 one of those points already, Vera, about the bigging DEEP 01:08:01.318 --> 01:08:05.316 er. 01:08:05.316 --> 01:08:09.565 » Vera: You know, it was a great segway. Like I sai said, we're excited about it. 01:08:09.565 --> 01:08:13.617 » Gloria: Yeah. So just to make a mention, after today's meeting, we 01:08:13.617 --> 01:08:18.367 will be creating an e-mail to follow with a summary 01:08:18.367 --> 01:08:22.618 . This can also be distributed to other participants that maybe couldn't join us or had to leave early. We hope that 01:08:22.618 --> 01:08:26.865 that's going to help, you know, capture all the points that were made today. And 01:08:26.865 --> 01:08:30.916 I also want to make a mention, it's not up on the slide, but I want to make 01:08:30.916 --> 01:08:35.116 a mention that the Google document will remain live for 01:08:35.116 --> 01:08:39.866 everybody to continued contributing after today, and we will make a note at the top 01:08:39.866 --> 01:08:44.116 of the document when it's no longer being -- when we're no 01:08:44.116 --> 01:08:48.166 longer taking in more comments. So it will just indicate at the top 01:08:48.166 --> 01:08:52.616 that the document is now closed. But Vera, I think we 01:08:52.616 --> 01:08:52.916 discussed it could be available to edit for the next couple of weeks 01:08:52.916 --> 01:08:54.067 . 01:08:54.067 --> 01:08:55.616 » Vera: Uh-huh, for sure. 01:08:55.616 --> 01:08:59.666 » Gloria: Yeah. 01:08:59.666 --> 01:09:03.817 » Vera: For as long as it takes us to distill all of these grade ideas. 01:09:03.817 --> 01:09:08.067 And so please do check in as inspirations hits. And if 01:09:08.067 --> 01:09:12.367 you have an idea, and we've sort of 01:09:12.367 --> 01:09:16.616 indicated that we're not looking at that document anymor anymore, because we've sort of 01:09:16.616 --> 01:09:20.865 distilled it somewhere else, we would still wanted you to -- we'll have a way to 01:09:20.865 --> 01:09:25.369 contact us directly so you can share or perhaps it will be a 01:09:25.369 --> 01:09:39.919 new collaboration. 01:09:39.919 --> 01:09:58.168 » Pina: 1 of the things we didn't cover 01:09:58.168 --> 01:10:02.866 » A lot of presentations that we had were, as 01:10:02.866 --> 01:10:07.166 you sai said. The projects we're doing as far as support, so 01:10:07.166 --> 01:10:11.366 when you're trying to invite private sector, for example, 01:10:11.366 --> 01:10:17.417 some of that stuff may not be 01:10:17.417 --> 01:10:21.615 so relevant to them. I think it's important for us to actually think about 01:10:21.615 --> 01:10:27.619 who is our audienc audience. Do we want researchers? Do we want a 01:10:27.619 --> 01:10:36.667 sense with professionals? 01:10:36.667 --> 01:10:44.667 How do we want it? 01:10:44.667 --> 01:10:49.168 » Jutta: The point of DEEP is we want a diversity of perspectives, and 01:10:49.168 --> 01:10:53.417 specifically we're going to forefront the foreground of people that are going to be most impacted by 01:10:53.417 --> 01:10:57.918 the decision, sort of the designs that we have. So in response 01:10:57.918 --> 01:11:02.117 to your question, pina, I think the idea 01:11:02.117 --> 01:11:06.366 is that in order to achieve some of the systemic 01:11:06.366 --> 01:11:10.667 changes that we want to achieve, we need 01:11:10.667 --> 01:11:14.917 everyone that is impacted by it, and so 01:11:14.917 --> 01:11:19.667 that means diversity and it may be that we 01:11:19.667 --> 01:11:25.965 need to then also balance the contented or the way that we presented or the way that people 01:11:25.965 --> 01:11:29.917 can participate so that we're not leaving people out. 01:11:29.917 --> 01:11:34.967 We're also doing things in a way that people are not used to. 01:11:34.967 --> 01:11:40.417 We don't have introductions. We don't 01:11:40.417 --> 01:11:45.417 have -- we try to communicate the fact that 01:11:45.417 --> 01:11:49.667 we expect -- that lived experience is just as valuable as 01:11:49.667 --> 01:11:54.667 perhaps academic 01:11:54.667 --> 01:11:56.167 experience. And you know the drill. 01:11:56.167 --> 01:12:00.117 . 01:12:00.117 --> 01:12:04.466 » No, I know. And it does touch on, quote/unquote, that engagement 01:12:04.466 --> 01:12:08.966 . How do we want to engage more broadly? More inclusion 01:12:08.966 --> 01:12:13.217 ism? Because in reality, a lot of these things touch people differently. 01:12:13.217 --> 01:12:18.715 Some more than others. Right? And so it's really more of a question. And 01:12:18.715 --> 01:12:22.966 we need different partners at the table at different times. And so 01:12:22.966 --> 01:12:27.517 that's really what I wanted to try for us to 01:12:27.517 --> 01:12:32.316 think about as we're sort of developing, you know, the topics 01:12:32.316 --> 01:12:38.966 and the Ads. We're trying to have these topics and then want to reach out to people 01:12:38.966 --> 01:12:43.517 to participate. 01:12:43.517 --> 01:12:47.817 » Jutta: Yeah. And perhaps what we can foreground it is more of an 01:12:47.817 --> 01:12:52.017 introduction of what to expect. This isn't the standard conference of it's definitely academic. 01:12:52.017 --> 01:12:57.216 It's also not like [Indiscernible] or other 01:12:57.216 --> 01:13:02.417 accessibility events 01:13:02.417 --> 01:13:06.966 . Et cetera. Al here is a conference 01:13:06.966 --> 01:13:11.417 where we are going to 01:13:11.417 --> 01:13:13.567 be looking at gaps, unsolved issues, an 01:13:13.567 --> 01:13:17.567 and the people that are missing from the conversations. 01:13:17.567 --> 01:13:21.718 » And those people can come in in 01:13:21.718 --> 01:13:25.967 just a specific workshop or specific section or the entire conference itself 01:13:25.967 --> 01:13:29.968 itself. 01:13:29.968 --> 01:13:34.266 » We'd love to hearing suggestions as to how we can continuous I 01:13:34.266 --> 01:13:38.967 didn't add to a better job of missing and perspectives that are missing 01:13:38.967 --> 01:13:42.968 . 01:13:42.968 --> 01:13:47.217 » Janet: I'm a vision. That's why I look off when I'm 01:13:47.217 --> 01:13:51.766 talking, because I picture different 01:13:51.766 --> 01:13:55.915 sort of themes where that's going to be sort of you're welcome to everything, but if 01:13:55.915 --> 01:14:02.516 you want to go deeper into, you know, the front line healthcare 01:14:02.516 --> 01:14:06.715 workers and those professions or if you're an educator specifically, yeah, I think it's totally 01:14:06.715 --> 01:14:12.466 doable to sort of have theme days. Overlap between all of 01:14:12.466 --> 01:14:27.018 this. 01:14:27.018 --> 01:14:45.718 Wow. 01:14:45.718 --> 01:14:50.017 Resource ideas, I did receive a couple of e-mails just 01:14:50.017 --> 01:14:54.265 before the meeting from participants that couldn't attend last minute, but they shared a 01:14:54.265 --> 01:14:58.517 few different details that they wanted to contract. So please feel free 01:14:58.517 --> 01:15:03.218 to e-mail me personally at G Bernal 01:15:03.218 --> 01:15:07.616 Gomez at OCAD U dot YA and also I monitor the IDRC e-mail account, so you 01:15:07.616 --> 01:15:11.716 can just, for the shake of making it a lot simpler, IDRC at 01:15:11.716 --> 01:15:32.319 OCAD CA. 01:15:32.319 --> 01:15:36.516 . And if you so much, everyone, for joining us. I will stay on the call for a few 01:15:36.516 --> 01:15:38.768 more minutes to make sure that there's no more questions 01:15:38.768 --> 01:15:42.718 and anybody wants to add anything, but thank 01:15:42.718 --> 01:15:47.116 you again for joining us today and we'll keep you posted on upcoming events 01:15:47.116 --> 01:15:51.117 . 01:15:51.117 --> 01:15:55.366 » You were suggesting that you might have something to add, but weren't sure whether you could 01:15:55.366 --> 01:15:57.217 add it. If you want to take 01:15:57.217 --> 01:16:01.217 this time, there are still people here. 01:16:01.217 --> 01:16:05.017 » Yes, there are still people. There's still quite a number of people 01:16:05.017 --> 01:16:08.067 here. 01:16:08.067 --> 01:16:08.966 » Did you hear someone raise your hand? 01:16:08.966 --> 01:16:12.967 » It was Paulo. 01:16:12.967 --> 01:16:15.068 » Captionist: I need to sign off to get to another event. 01:16:15.068 --> 01:16:15.516 ( **********DISCLAIMER********** THE FOLLOWING IS AN UNEDITED R OUGH DRAFT TRANSLATION FROM THE CART CAPTIONER'S OUTPUT FILE. THIS TRANSCRIPT IS NOT VERBATIM AND HAS NOT BEEN PROOFREAD. TO DO SO IS AN EXTRA FEE. THIS FILE MAY CONTAIN ERRORS. PLEASE CHECK WITH THE SPEAKER(S) FOR ANY CLARIFICATION. 01:16:15.516 --> 01:24:19.516 **********DISCLAIMER**********